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Shinko Tire Review

Postby mweddy@gmail.com » Fri Oct 02, 2015 10:51 pm



I've been riding legally now for 42 years, and I've owned a lot of bikes in that time. I average about 10,000 miles per year. I've purchased a variety of tires in this time, from cheap Cheng Shin dirt bike tires to top of the line Michelin, Metzeler, Pirelli, Avon, Dunlop, Continental, Bridgestone, etc. I've even put a Hankook car tire on the back of my Vulcan. I've had tires wear out quickly, 5,000 miles for the Avon Venum, to lasting a long time, over 16,000 miles on the car tire. Back in the 70's, the Dunlop K-70 was our tire of choice. If I remember correctly, we didn't have many choices back then. So, as tires became more and more expensive, I decided to give something new a chance, Shinko. My research indicated that they were a good company, and most riders were satisfied with the quality. I bought a set for a reasonable price. Last Wednesday, on my way to work, I had the first tire failure of my life in 42 years of riding on the street. (I've had flats, but I don't blame the tire for picking up a nail). The tread separated on the front tire and a golf ball sized bubble formed in the middle of the tread. I recall reading a report of a tread separation on a Shinko from another Goldwing rider, (after I had already purchased mine), and remember thinking that I hoped I would have better luck. Well I thump thumped my last mile to work, and ended up calling my Progressive Roadside Assistance for a tow home. I called Motorcycle Superstore and ordered a Bridgestone replacement, (OEM I believe), and it arrived yesterday. One day service is very impressive, especially with free shipping. The nice girl on the other end of the phone informed me that they do not recommend the Shinkos for heavy bikes like the Goldwing. One last thing, Heather at Motorcycle Superstore said Shinko was very good about standing behind the product and they would most likely warranty the tire. I sent pictures.
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Re: Shinko Tire Review

Postby MikeB » Sat Oct 03, 2015 12:25 am

You're experience with the Shinko is pretty much the same as others I have known that have used them. Nice bubble separation in less than 3000 miles. Good luck with your request for a warranty settlement. They will most likely offer you a replacement Shinko tire.
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Re: Shinko Tire Review

Postby golden highway » Sat Oct 03, 2015 9:41 am

What model tire did you have?

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Re: Shinko Tire Review

Postby mweddy@gmail.com » Sat Oct 03, 2015 11:27 am

Shinko SE890 Journey Touring Radial Front Tire
Color- Black, Size- 130/70R-18
SKU#384844

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Shinko SE890 Journey Touring Radial Rear Tire
Color- Black, Size- 180/70R-16
SKU#384842

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Re: Shinko Tire Review

Postby golden highway » Sat Oct 03, 2015 11:52 am

I had there 230 and 777 bias tires and thought they were some of the best tires I've had. Maybe there is a big quality difference between their bias and radial

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Re: Shinko Tire Review

Postby mweddy@gmail.com » Sat Oct 03, 2015 3:29 pm

Since I was told that the company is going to warranty the tire, I'm now wondering whether or not that means giving me another of the same. I'm not sure if I will try another, but since I'm generally optimistic, I will probably give them another chance. The bike was nice and smooth and had no shimmys or vibrations with the tire. The back one seems to be fine, and the 70 series tire brought my speedometer right up to perfectly accurate.

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Re: Shinko Tire Review

Postby minimac » Sat Oct 03, 2015 9:52 pm

That sure looks ugly. Before I darksided my bike, I tried a Shinko rear. It lasted less than 6k miles.When I took it off, I was surprised to see the it was cracked in the tread in multiple places. Some people like them, but that was my experience with them. You couldn't get get me to put one on my bike if it was free!

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Re: Shinko Tire Review

Postby themainviking » Sun Oct 04, 2015 8:21 am

Same exact thing happened to me with an Avon Venom rear tire. I had a hard time getting Avon to warranty it. I actually had to send them the tire. I guess that was so I would not have any evidence of their poor quality for the papers or a lawyer or whatever. So now that is two motorcycle tire manufacturers I stay away from. Perhaps we should start a list. So far we have A for Avon and S for Shinko. Give me another S and an H and an O .... and so on.

In these days of everything being made in China, I guess this is what we have to expect.
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Re: Shinko Tire Review

Postby Paulcf » Sun Oct 04, 2015 10:43 pm

Strange how people will put a car tire on the rear of a Goldwing to save some money...or a cheapo tire on a motorcycle that costs, up here, $30K brand new. With 2 wheels and a small road contact patch, the last thing I want is to go cheap on a tire from some unknown (relatively speaking compared to names like Bridgestone, Michelin, etc.). I run Dunlop or Bridgestone, alternating between them.
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Re: Shinko Tire Review

Postby golden highway » Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:10 am

Expensive doesn't equal quality. Dunlap isn't one of my favorites. So far I am getting good reports on the Michelin tires as I would expect from a premium tire company but you never know today.

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Re: Shinko Tire Review

Postby Semephore » Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:40 am

I went coast to coast and back on a set of shinko 230 touring tires, rear lasted for about 10k. In my opinion they were such a hard compound that it didn't seem to handle right, especially in the severe cross winds we rode through in the Mojave. Overall though no major issues.

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Re: Shinko Tire Review

Postby golden highway » Mon Oct 05, 2015 6:37 pm

Semephore wrote:I went coast to coast and back on a set of shinko 230 touring tires, rear lasted for about 10k. In my opinion they were such a hard compound that it didn't seem to handle right, especially in the severe cross winds we rode through in the Mojave. Overall though no major issues.


What did you think of the grip with them on? They did handle a little different. It seemed to me they had a very fast steering response. I guess that would cause movement in crosswinds

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Re: Shinko Tire Review

Postby tomos » Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:24 pm

Hello , I have been using Tour master 230 bias for last 4k and I have been very happy with those . Traction in all kind of weather and braking situations is excellent ,no noise ,no shakes (thanks to dina beads) and wear is not existing for now . Comfort increased significantly once Nitrogen was installed .
I noticed that the tires run cooler with Nitrogen !
NOTE:Tire separation happens when tire pressure is not adequate , UNDERINFLATED tires heat up very quickly and thread easily get separated from carcass .
I hope that this helps.
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Re: Shinko Tire Review

Postby Semephore » Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:19 pm

golden highway wrote:
Semephore wrote:I went coast to coast and back on a set of shinko 230 touring tires, rear lasted for about 10k. In my opinion they were such a hard compound that it didn't seem to handle right, especially in the severe cross winds we rode through in the Mojave. Overall though no major issues.


What did you think of the grip with them on? They did handle a little different. It seemed to me they had a very fast steering response. I guess that would cause movement in crosswinds


Just seemed like there was very little feel in corners until I had a bunch of weight, either luggage or passenger, then they seemed to respond better.

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Re: Shinko Tire Review

Postby wingman12 » Thu Oct 08, 2015 12:56 pm

To each their own, I have been running the Dunlap E-3 for years, I get 20,000 to 25,000 out of a set, some people say they are too noisy, isn't that what the radio is for? Handling is great, ask my foot pegs they will tell you OUCH. Personally I would not put a car tire on my bike any more than I would put a bike tire on my car. We all know that riding a motorcycle is not the safest form of transportation so why increase the chance of death by saving a few bucks and putting cheap China tires on your guided missile. Perhaps the additional thrill of taking unnecessary chances makes the rides a little more exciting??? My 2 cents for what it is worth. :D :D

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Re: Shinko Tire Review

Postby themainviking » Fri Oct 09, 2015 8:31 am

tomos wrote:NOTE:Tire separation happens when tire pressure is not adequate , UNDERINFLATED tires heat up very quickly and thread easily get separated from carcass .
I hope that this helps.
Zoran


I guess there must be other reasons for tread separation as well, as my Avon Venom was actually a couple of pounds overinflated. Also, I did not suffer a thread separation, I suffered a belt separation, as I believe the Shinko in the original post also did, by the picture. I think the tire was just under engineered for the bike, because within weeks of my hassle with Avon over the tire, the company came out with a new model of that tire, with a higher maximum load rating, and discontinued the tire I had originally purchased. (not from my tire separation, but from the previous year or more of tire separations that they denied ever happened, but which could be found with internet searches) In my opinion, which is just that - an opinion - without real fact to back it up... Tire corporations make up all kinds of data to explain why something happened to one of their tires that become our fault so they do not have to honor warranty. As long as loss of life is kept to an acceptable level, they just do not really give a darn.
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Re: Shinko Tire Review

Postby tomos » Fri Oct 09, 2015 10:31 am

Absolutely on the same page with you .

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Re: Shinko Tire Review

Postby mweddy@gmail.com » Sat Oct 17, 2015 10:44 am

This will be my final on this subject. For those who were supposing that it may have been my fault by not having the tires inflated properly, all I can say is this: I average over 10,000 miles per year on the Goldwing, and due to a mild Winter this past season I will have about 12,000 miles on the Wing for the past year, along with quite a few miles on the Vulcan and my Honda dual sport. I always keep the tires inflated, 38 in the front and 42 in the rear. This is the first time I have ever had this type of failure, so I'm going to blame the tire manufacturer. On the bright side, Motorcycle Superstore refunded the entire cost of the tire to my Paypal account, and I received the new Bridgestone Exedra one day after ordering it. The rear Shinko is still okay, and I will most likely run it until it is worn out.

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Re: Shinko Tire Review

Postby Ansimp » Sun Nov 01, 2015 8:25 am

I am surprised to see so many that have had problems with their Shinko tires when I have had such a great run with A230s on my 81 Gl1100. The first set were fitted on another riders recommendation for my ride back in Aug 2013 from LA to Sturgis and return. I rode with my brother who was riding his 2012 RoadKing and we managed to do the trip in 6 1/2 days travelling through Zion, San Juan Skyway, lap around Mt Rushmore ( pig tails etc), western side of the Black Hills to WY, Yosemite and finally down the PCH to LA. To do 4200 miles in 6 1/2 days you can bet that the Shinkos were working hard. By the time I had taken my last ride up through Julian they had done about 6000 miles and the rear was worn out in my opinion. That said it still didn't give me any reason to doubt it in the wet or running those tight twisties in the mountains. My brother wore out his Metzler 888 in 9000 miles of similar riding so I find my 6000 miles from the rear A230 acceptable considering the cost. I replaced the rear with a Metzler Lasertech once back in Oz and it only lasted 3000 miles as I believe it was not designed for the weight of the GL1100 and my aggressive riding style (from riding CBR1000s). I replaced it with another A230 on the rear and after another 3000 miles I finally replaced the front A230 (12000 miles) also. I have a 900m ( just over a half mile) gravel and clay driveway that I ride all my bikes on and is really hard on my road tires. The second set are wearing and performing just as well as the first set and I couldn't be any happier with these Shinko tires.

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Re: Shinko Tire Review

Postby MacNoob » Sun Nov 01, 2015 10:57 am

Shinko 230 on GL1200 Aspencade here. So far 7500 km on the set - the rear is about half worn. Run 40 psi front and rear. No troubles yet, so far would buy again.

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Re: Shinko Tire Review

Postby newtothe1996wing » Sun Nov 01, 2015 5:53 pm

Yep my issue was the same as yours mweddy, was running 38-40 psi. Shinko did send me "any tire they made" I ordered a replacement rear, my current (890 match to front which has had n issues) has about 8k on it. My issue was I was 150 miles into a 500 mile trip when mine went out. I left the bad tire at the shop that replaced it with a bridgestone radial to match the radial rear. I have a 1500 and have never ridden it with bias plys, (purchased used with 2k and sitting for 15 years, changed to the shinko radials before I ever rode it) but would like to see what the difference, if any, there is.

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Re: Shinko Tire Review

Postby Old Fogey » Tue Dec 01, 2015 9:10 am

First, the 'Chinese' bit. Shinko are a Japanese company. They manufacture in Korea, same country as makes the Hancook tyres I use on the taxi. In general, Korean parts are well up to the standard of USA/Euro stuff.
I fitted a pair of the 230 Tourmasters, with beads, to my GL1000 last time I was over. Cyborg and I did a trip up to Canada and back and I have to say I was mightily impressed with them.
Previous pair were Bridgestone BT45s. In 7500 miles, the front cupped causing vibration and the back was worn out. Also, I was never happy with the handling from the front. It always seemed to me that the profile was wrong for this bike, too pointed, causing it to drop into corners.
The difference in the handling and particularly the ride quality was amazing, especially as in all honesty the Shenko were bought on price as I was kinda short on the necessary. Bike Bandit supplied a pair at a price that I could only have bought one of the premium tyres for.

One thing I almost never see when talking about tyres. There is a lot of water used in the manufacture of a tyre. The recommendation from most tyre companies is that the tyre is 'run-in' for least 100 miles at no more than 50 mph to allow water vapour to escape. This is where tread bubbles and delamination of tread to carcass can occur.
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Re: Shinko Tire Review

Postby WINGER3 » Wed Dec 02, 2015 1:37 am

All I can say is I have had Shinko's on 2-1500's 1-1100 1-1200 1-ST1100 1-BMW R100RT and never had one problem and where one of the best ridding tires I have ever had, wet or dry. The bike I now Have, GL1800ABS has new E3's on it from PO I bought it from and I can tell you they are like ridding on truck 8 ply tire compared to the Shinko's. Everyone at sometime or another has had a bad tire, so if we all start listing the Brand, no one will feel safe on any of them. I had the first set of Michelin radials when they came out back in 96 or 97 on my GL1500I and they where recalled because of blow outs, they couldn't handle the weight of the 1500 Goldwing, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't buy them today. Tires are like oil, everyone has their own preference to what has worked for them. Just remember, what ever brand you buy, keep them inflated to the right pressure and check them before every ride and you will get better mileage out of them and be much safer for it. :mrgreen:
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Re: Shinko Tire Review

Postby Old Fogey » Mon Apr 11, 2016 12:35 pm

Just an addition to the post I did earlier. After searching, I have found a Shinko dealer in the UK. Just ordered a pair of Tour Masters for my UK based 79; that's how much I like them!
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Re: Shinko Tire Review

Postby newtothe1996wing » Mon Apr 11, 2016 5:50 pm

Even after the issues I had with my front shinko, I left the matching one on the rear and no issues. I will say that the radial bridgstone (to match the radial rear) put on the front feels more stable while riding. That could be due to internal issues with Shinko that eventually caused it's belts to separate, who knows.
I do have a new rear Shinko , that was gratis to replace the defective front.




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