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Re: SocalMotoGear Pathfinder LED Headlights

Post by peppilepew » Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:37 pm



I have adjusted my headlights three times now. My employee suggested I leave the guide tape on the floor and door this time. lol When the high beams are correct, the low beams are way too low. I adjusted to a medium point as the lows are my main driving beam around here. Incredible lumens headed down road. It has been described by fellow riders as a wall of lights coming at you from the opposite direction.



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Post by Mh434 » Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:26 pm

That's my experience, as well. In my case, I already had a set of the Ebay-sourced wide-angle LED driving lights that I installed (I leave them on full time, although I did install a switch), which fills in the foreground & both shoulders perfectly (they also add yet another set of lights for "conspicuity"!).

For the FIRST TIME EVER, I'm not out-driving my lights at highway speed!!!

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Re: SocalMotoGear Pathfinder LED Headlights

Post by NVSB4 » Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:28 pm

WingAdmin wrote:On my brake light circuit, I had to throw a couple capacitors in there, because flashing half an amp of LEDs on and off quickly was making some noise that could be picked up in the intercom.
With the Kisan Pathfinder LED headlight modulator active, when it's in dim mode, it's flashing 5 amps of headlight LED on and off at around 100 Hz, which makes a REALLY loud buzz as it flashes: "buzz-buzz-buzz-buzz" Not just through the intercom, but through the radio, too - even through the speakers. It makes the audio system unlistenable.
Therefor I had to design and build a noise suppression circuit with a toroid choke and a bunch of electrolytic capacitors to knock down various frequencies and harmonics. It works perfectly, the noise from the modulator is completely gone.

If anyone is having the same problem, and is really interested in this circuit, let me know and I'll draw it up and post it.
I'm about to install the same setup (SoCal LED headlights with the Kisan modulator) and could use your solution, or better yet, one that I can purchase without putting it together.
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Re: SocalMotoGear Pathfinder LED Headlights

Post by WingAdmin » Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:58 pm

Someone asked me to post the noise suppression circuit I used for my headlight modulator, so I drew it up.

This is the circuit I used for my headlight modulator. You can also download it here: Noise Suppressor Circuit

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Headlight Noise Suppressor Circuit

The Blue/Black wire on the GL1500 is the high beam wire, and Green is ground.

First the +12V enters through a pair of 10 amp diodes - this is more than enough to handle the two LED headlights I'm running, which draw 2.3 amps each (OEM halogens draw about 5 amps each).

Next it enters an array of electrolytic capacitors. Starting with a pair of relatively large 2500uF capacitors, next a 500uF, then a 50uF. I used 25V rated capacitors, which is safe for the 13.8 volts encountered in the bike.

Next the power enters a standard 20 amp automotive relay on pin 87, exiting on pin 30. More on this relay in a minute.

Lastly, it goes through a toroid choke. I used a standard ferrite toroid, wound as shown in the hand-drawn diagram. Note the direction of the windings - this is important! The more windings you can cram onto the toroid the better, but they must be neat and lay flat against the toroid. I used a 1.5 inch toroid and got about 7-8 windings using 16 gauge wire.

From there it heads off to the headlight modulator. Pulses induced on the power bus by the modulator's PWM circuit are first attenuated by the toroid choke, and then any harmonics and pulses left are smoothed out by the electrolytics. It is important that all of this be as close as possible to the headlight modulator (or source of noise).

Lastly, the relay: The coil of the relay (on pins 85 and 86) is connected between the blue/black high beam BEFORE the diodes, and ground. The reason for this is that the large electrolytics can supply power to the LEDs for several seconds even after the power is turned off! If you want to flash your high beams, well, you can't, because you've got several seconds of power stored in the capacitors that keep them running AFTER you switch them off.

Therefore when the power is switched off to the high beam circuit, the relay coil is de-energized, disconnecting the headlight from the capacitors, and turning it off instantly. The two diodes are used to prevent the capacitors from backfeeding the relay coil.

BE CAREFUL when testing this circuit - after it is turned off, the relay prevents power from exiting the capacitors as do the diodes, so even though the power is turned off, there is still a significant amount of charge remaining in the capacitors that is not draining off anywhere - enough to give you a nasty zap should you be unfortunate enough to touch their leads.

I hope this is of some help!

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Re: SocalMotoGear Pathfinder LED Headlights

Post by GoldWingRev » Wed Jul 13, 2016 6:45 pm

I am going to getting these for my Wing, but I'd like to ask WingAdmin his opinion on active vs passive cooling with regard to LEDs. I'm going to upgrade the 9005 bulbs in my Acura, but I'm not sure if I should get some from Opt7 (3500 lumens with a fan), or the passively cooled ones from SuperBright LEDs (less lumens)?

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Re: SocalMotoGear Pathfinder LED Headlights

Post by WingAdmin » Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:29 am

All things equal, I prefer passive cooling. Fans have motors, moving parts, bearings, which will fail. When they fail, your expensive LED burns out.

Also, fans take up quite a bit of room - and especially on the GL1500, there isn't much room to be had behind the headlights.

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Re: SocalMotoGear Pathfinder LED Headlights

Post by GoldWingRev » Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:05 pm

I wonder if the lumen rating is skewed then. I always respect your opinion, then. The Wing will get the SoCalMotoGear H4, and my car will get the 9005 from SuperBrightLEDs, from whom I've never had a problem. Thank you!

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Pathfinder LED Headlights on an 1800

Post by waituntilthebeep » Sat Feb 11, 2017 11:18 pm

I just purchased a set of LED headlamp bulbs for my 1800 from SoCal and I installed them today. I had issues with "universal plug and play". I am glad that I grabbed my camera before I started to do the installation because I was able to document all of the weirdness of the install. These are a different setup than the ones you guys got for your 1500's and claim to be a universal fit for H4, H7 to H11 bulbs. They also claim to be 4000 lumens and THAT I believe. They are really bright. You can't follow the instructions to install them on your 1800 or you will hate the outcome. I am taking all the media I generated in my install and will post a video showing what I did. They work AWESOME! and are really bright so overall I am really satisfied with them so far. Just wasn't a simple plug and pray install. I did not look to see if they made adapters for these for the 1800 but probably should as I had to make my own.

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Re: SocalMotoGear Pathfinder LED Headlights

Post by raven41951 » Sun Feb 12, 2017 9:25 am

I am interested to see your results. I bought my 2016 GL1800 last fall and only got 400 miles on it before putting it up for the road salt season. I plan to install the SoCalMotoGear cowl lights when the salt is washed away which is just before road construction season. I had their HID then their LED headlights on my GL1500 and was thrilled with them. I put a set (also SoCal) on my Tundra and was not so thrilled so I am anxious to see your results as that is an upgrade on my list.

I have a question. I have not looked at them yet but I know that the 1800 has separate low and high beams. Did you change just the low beams or both?

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Re: SocalMotoGear Pathfinder LED Headlights

Post by RoadRunner15 » Sun Feb 12, 2017 10:28 am

Great report! I have the SoCal High and Low LED's on my 2015 GoldWing. Big difference in my opinion.

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Re: SocalMotoGear Pathfinder LED Headlights

Post by waituntilthebeep » Sun Feb 12, 2017 3:23 pm

raven41951 wrote:
I have a question. I have not looked at them yet but I know that the 1800 has separate low and high beams. Did you change just the low beams or both?
I just changed the low beams. I want to do the high beams as well but need a weekend free before I try to tackle that fairing.They were not difficult to change, just didn't follow the instruction plans because they were wrong.

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Re: SocalMotoGear Pathfinder LED Headlights

Post by RoadRunner15 » Sun Feb 12, 2017 3:41 pm

I had my dealership install both the High and low beams at the same time.

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Post by waituntilthebeep » Sun Feb 12, 2017 11:02 pm

I cranked out the videos. The first one is the basic installation stuff I did and the second shows the details of what I ran into as far as not being plug and play. I will ride with them for the first time in the dark tomorrow morning.

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Re: SocalMotoGear Pathfinder LED Headlights

Post by waituntilthebeep » Mon Feb 13, 2017 2:49 pm

First the good news... The lights are really nice! They are a clean white and the cut-off from the housings is perfect. Didn't get any high beam flashers in my trip this morning so that proves they are fine as far as pattern and aiming.

Now the bad news... The lights highlighted the ice patch on the road a mile from work PERFECTLY but I was coming out of a corner and couldn't correct fast enough and I WRECKED MY BIKE!!!!!
I posted the details on another page so it didn't clutter this one with unrelated stuff.... viewtopic.php?f=10&t=36438

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Re: SocalMotoGear Pathfinder LED Headlights

Post by raven41951 » Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:00 pm

If they used road salt, yours, like mine would have been put away. Been there, done that on my CL450 back in 71. Right elbow shattered.

Anyway, after my post I went and looked at the cruiseman videos on you tube. I don't think I want to do that on my own. I've done a lot on my 1500 and learned that my hands/fingers are way to bulky to handle those projects. I have a guy that can get that done for me.

I will be able to handle the SoCal DRL/Driving/Directional light install.

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Re: SocalMotoGear Pathfinder LED Headlights

Post by Mr Magic Fingers » Sun Mar 12, 2017 12:36 am

Hey Guys,

I do have a question that I didn't see asked here in this thread... Are these LED Headlights available from a supplier in Canada? Between the cost of the US dollar and the cost to bring them into Canada, it does make the HID systems MUCH MUCH more affordable.

I have made a promise to myself that this is the year I am going to totally revamp the entire light system in the front end of my bike. I would very much like to do some evening and night driving but the lighting situation with the 1500's (or at least mine) are dismal to say the least.

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Post by ozemarketeer » Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:18 am

Update on the Pathfinder LED Headlights. My GL1500SE CSC Trike has done a little over 50K kms (31250ml) since fitment, 12 months ago. Happy to report all is well.Our Aussie backroads are not the most welcoming and I traverse them regularly, both day and night riding, usually covering 600kms comfortably each day.(apart from the undulations and washed away road surfaces! :-) )
I have fitted more white running lights to the front, including removing the indicator amber lense fitted to the later model 1500. By fitting the GL1800 indicator light fitting and a switchback bulb I now have a bright white running light and a decent amber turning light.
The rear has also received upgraded red tail and brake lights. One trick I learnt was to put two red flexible waterproof LED strips across the rear. One is running, the other is brake. When they are both on, there is no mistaking the message.


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Re: SocalMotoGear Pathfinder LED Headlights

Post by WingAdmin » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:52 am

An update on these lights:

When SoCalMotoGear originally sourced these LED lights, they were deciding whether to go with the screw-on heat sink (where the heavy metal sink was screwed onto the back of the light after it was installed) or the braided copper type heat sink. They ordered both, and ended up deciding on the braided copper version.

The supplier of their LED lights is no longer making them. They are currently now filling orders with the lights with the screw-on type heat sink. At the same time, they are sourcing a new supplier. Apparently the new lights they are looking at selling put out even more light than the existing Pathfinder LEDs.

LED technology advances rapidly, so it is not surprising to see SoCal updating these lights. I'll post more when I know it.

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Re: SocalMotoGear Pathfinder LED Headlights

Post by Mh434 » Thu Jul 06, 2017 2:27 pm

Hopefully, their new producer will address the issue of the placement of the LED emitters on the internal stalks. On their original design (the ones I bought), the LED's are placed at exactly equal distance from the reflector. Unfortunately, owing to the fact that they're designed to function with halogen-designed reflectors, this placement of emitters (unlike halogen filaments, which are placed at considerably different distances from the reflector), this causes the issue of being able to aim either the high beams, or the low beams, but not both.

Later designs I've seen, from other manufacturers, have addressed this issue & don't seem to suffer from this malady. The Pathfinders sure do light up the road, though!

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Re: SocalMotoGear Pathfinder LED Headlights

Post by WingAdmin » Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:17 pm

Mh434 wrote:
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Hopefully, their new producer will address the issue of the placement of the LED emitters on the internal stalks. On their original design (the ones I bought), the LED's are placed at exactly equal distance from the reflector. Unfortunately, owing to the fact that they're designed to function with halogen-designed reflectors, this placement of emitters (unlike halogen filaments, which are placed at considerably different distances from the reflector), this causes the issue of being able to aim either the high beams, or the low beams, but not both.

Later designs I've seen, from other manufacturers, have addressed this issue & don't seem to suffer from this malady. The Pathfinders sure do light up the road, though!
That is one of the problems that they are in fact addressing. The new bulbs put out about 25% more light as well.

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Re: SocalMotoGear Pathfinder LED Headlights

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After some digging and trying Opt 7’s twice as bright LEDs, I reverted to using these on my 2017 Zero DS with happy results. Why an electric vehicle would come either halogens I don’t know. I ordered one bulb from Cyclemax and it’s aweome. The Zero doesn’t allow for the wider fan-type heat sinks, these cloth looking ones worked. And they don’t get too hot.

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Re: SocalMotoGear Pathfinder LED Headlights

Post by ctjt12 » Fri Sep 29, 2017 9:55 am

Just installed this product on my 1998 Wing. BIG IMPROVEMENT over the stock bulbs. I followed the "How-To" article and the process was very easy. Good job to the author of the How-To article. You made my life less stressful. The headlight kit was $120 from CycleMax and it arrived in 3 days. This product is a winner!

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Re: SocalMotoGear Pathfinder LED Headlights

Post by newday777 » Fri Sep 29, 2017 8:46 pm

Be sure to spread open those heat sinks
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After some digging and trying Opt 7’s twice as bright LEDs, I reverted to using these on my 2017 Zero DS with happy results. Why an electric vehicle would come either halogens I don’t know. I ordered one bulb from Cyclemax and it’s aweome. The Zero doesn’t allow for the wider fan-type heat sinks, these cloth looking ones worked. And they don’t get too hot.

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Re: SocalMotoGear Pathfinder LED Headlights

Post by raven41951 » Sat Sep 30, 2017 7:44 pm

I had the pathfinders on my 1500 and they were fantastic. The 1800 seemed to have good lights (halogens) so I was in no rush to change them. I installed the pathfinders in the low beams today and it was a snap. WOW!!! Bright Light! Now I would like to do the high beams but I could barely get my hands in to do the lows.

I will be installing the SoCalMotoGear drl/directional/fog/driving lights soon. Next three days will be nice so I will concentrate on riding but I will get them in by the weekend as I am riding in the dark in the AM.

I have also installed Rivco aero highway pegs and I have Kuryakin floorboards to install. I will post results when installed and thoroughly evaluated. No need for a DIY as they install in minutes and are straight forward.

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Re: SocalMotoGear Pathfinder LED Headlights

Post by WingAdmin » Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:28 am

raven41951 wrote:
Sat Sep 30, 2017 7:44 pm
I had the pathfinders on my 1500 and they were fantastic. The 1800 seemed to have good lights (halogens) so I was in no rush to change them. I installed the pathfinders in the low beams today and it was a snap. WOW!!! Bright Light! Now I would like to do the high beams but I could barely get my hands in to do the lows.

I will be installing the SoCalMotoGear drl/directional/fog/driving lights soon. Next three days will be nice so I will concentrate on riding but I will get them in by the weekend as I am riding in the dark in the AM.

I have also installed Rivco aero highway pegs and I have Kuryakin floorboards to install. I will post results when installed and thoroughly evaluated. No need for a DIY as they install in minutes and are straight forward.
I've installed the SoCal LEDs in the high beam positions on a GL1800 - that is a nasty job. It took two of us and a lot of swearing, sweating and hacked up skin on our hands to get them in.



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