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Postby Evilrick » Tue Nov 25, 2014 5:27 pm



This may be a dumb question, but I am wondering what type of antifreeze everyone is using. I have an 84 GL1200A Aspencade, the manual says to use only Ethylene Glycol labeled for aluminum engines. I use Dex-cool in my GMC van and the label on it says it is for all engines with aluminum radiators. Ingredients are Ethylene Glycol as well as diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate, and sodium neodecanoate. I know a radiator is not an engine, just wondering if this is usable or should I get Honda antifreeze and just pay the price. Thanks for any help.


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Re: Antifreeze

Postby silverado6x6 » Tue Nov 25, 2014 7:23 pm

I now use Peak Global Lifetime in all my bikes, some say the G05 coolant is slightly better but it's splitting hairs. Always is distilled water.
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Re: Antifreeze

Postby Evilrick » Tue Nov 25, 2014 7:50 pm

silverado6x6 wrote:I now use Peak Global Lifetime in all my bikes, some say the G05 coolant is slightly better but it's splitting hairs. Always is distilled water.

Thanks for the info. Is the GO5 peak also? Does it come in a 50/50 mix?
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Re: Antifreeze

Postby themainviking » Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:45 pm

Just try to make sure that whatever brand you use does not contain silicate inhibitors. Other than that, pretty much any green or universal one will do the trick. 50/50 is about the only other thing that Honda says.
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Re: Antifreeze

Postby silverado6x6 » Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:59 pm

It sounds like you just need to add coolant? Or a whole new system flush? Right now my 93 is completely drained of its original green stuff, I actually drained it first time and refilled with clean new distilled water, let it sit a couple hours and drained it yet again, you could still see some minor green. About all the major brands sell 50/50 but I prefer to buy straight and use my distilled water, NOT mineral water. These bikes work best on a 50/50, anything stronger will create higher pressure that will find a weak spot somewhere.

I personally will go slightly stronger if needed to get a -40f freeze protection cause I cannot keep all 18 of my bikes in a heated room here in Alaska. The coolants I just described will mix with green, best to get the old stuff out though, who knows what is in the solution from way back then, coolants like oil has evolved.
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Re: Antifreeze

Postby suvcw04 » Wed Nov 26, 2014 12:50 pm

DO NOT USE DEX-COOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Drain and flush any vehicle with that crap in them and fill with real antifreeze.

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Re: Antifreeze

Postby Mh434 » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:35 pm

Just to reiterate what themainviking said...DON'T USE ANTIFREEZE CONTAINING SILICATES.

Motorcycle Consumer News quote, as a result of their investigation:

"...the final answer to the question of premature water pump failures in several models of motorcycles, most notably Honda Gold Wings..."

"... the vast majority (98.7%) of pump failures occurred on bikes that had had their cooling systems flushed, or drained and refilled, within the past year. Secondly, of the bikes with failed pumps, 99% had been filled with automotive-type coolants, such as Prestone, Zerex or a house brand from some parts chain like Pep Boys. Less than 1% of the bikes with failed pumps had used pre-mixed Hondaline coolant or another motorcycle-specific anti-freeze. "

Why? This, from Honda: "Over 95% of anti-freeze/coolants on the market use silicate inhibitors to protect against aluminum corrosion. However, the abrasiveness of the silicates may cause premature wear to mechanical water pump seals."


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Re: Antifreeze

Postby WingAdmin » Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:55 pm

The problem is now that quite a few manufacturers of coolant that include silicates, don't list this fact on the container. It's tough to know which ones have silicates and which don't.

I gave up after having to replace the water pump in my GL1100 - and now only use genuine Honda coolant in my bike. That way I'm guaranteed I'm not putting something in it that will damage it.


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Re: Antifreeze

Postby suvcw04 » Thu Nov 27, 2014 11:14 am



That's what I have used in my Japanese cars, trucks and motorcycles for years. So far, so good.

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Postby cbx4evr » Thu Nov 27, 2014 11:40 am

WingAdmin wrote:now only use genuine Honda coolant in my bike. That way I'm guaranteed I'm not putting something in it that will damage it.



What he said. It may cost a little more but it's not worth the potential headaches.
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Re: Antifreeze

Postby WingAdmin » Fri Nov 28, 2014 1:17 pm

cbx4evr wrote:
WingAdmin wrote:now only use genuine Honda coolant in my bike. That way I'm guaranteed I'm not putting something in it that will damage it.



What he said. It may cost a little more but it's not worth the potential headaches.


Exactly. Saving $10 every couple of years on coolant is not worth the $170 for a new water pump and gaskets and seals, and the tremendous PITA in labor it takes to replace it. I'll pay the $10.

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Re: Antifreeze

Postby suvcw04 » Fri Nov 28, 2014 1:43 pm

Fellas, I will guarantee you that Honda does NOT make its own antifreeze. Nor its own oil, and a host of other ''Genuine Honda'' items. Nor does Yamaha, Suzuki, Kawasaki, HD, John Deere or Ford.
I would bet that in the last 20 years, all of those companies have had multiple suppliers for their ''GENUINE'' parts.

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Re: Antifreeze

Postby cbx4evr » Fri Nov 28, 2014 3:56 pm

suvcw04 wrote:Fellas, I will guarantee you that Honda does NOT make its own antifreeze. Nor its own oil, and a host of other ''Genuine Honda'' items.


Nobody is going to argue against that statement. We all know Honda is not in that line of work. However, Honda does have the ability to specify certain additive packages based on their engineering requirements. Remember the ol sayin - "You can pay me now or you can pay me later".

What I find ironic that folks cheap out when buying things like antifreeze and then open their wallets and throw down a bundle for a piece of bling that serves no purpose.
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Re: Antifreeze

Postby eddy » Mon Apr 13, 2015 11:49 am

Mh434 wrote:Just to reiterate what themainviking said...DON'T USE ANTIFREEZE CONTAINING SILICATES.

Motorcycle Consumer News quote, as a result of their investigation:

"...the final answer to the question of premature water pump failures in several models of motorcycles, most notably Honda Gold Wings..."

"... the vast majority (98.7%) of pump failures occurred on bikes that had had their cooling systems flushed, or drained and refilled, within the past year. Secondly, of the bikes with failed pumps, 99% had been filled with automotive-type coolants, such as Prestone, Zerex or a house brand from some parts chain like Pep Boys. Less than 1% of the bikes with failed pumps had used pre-mixed Hondaline coolant or another motorcycle-specific anti-freeze. "

Why? This, from Honda: "Over 95% of anti-freeze/coolants on the market use silicate inhibitors to protect against aluminum corrosion. However, the abrasiveness of the silicates may cause premature wear to mechanical water pump seals."


I would guess 99% of "water cooled" bikes have Preston/Peak/etc. in them so I doubt that proves anything.

This has been a big issue on Kawasaki Concours engines, and there are many, many threads on it.

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Re: Antifreeze

Postby moneypit » Mon Apr 13, 2015 7:06 pm

it don't matter as long as it is silicate free. If it has silicate it will ruin the O rings in your water pump..

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Re: Antifreeze

Postby Mh434 » Tue Apr 14, 2015 2:40 am

I was lucky enough to find a house brand locally that is 100% silicate-free (as well as free of several other additives that could be hazardous to motorcycle engines), and approved by Honda for use in all their vehicles. They are out there, but you really have to look hard. As far as I could tell, if it didn't guarantee 100% solicate-free, it ain't!




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