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Postby Rick_in_Indy » Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:56 am



Hello, I found this site in a search for a manual, I am a long time rider ~over 35yrs~ and just picked up a neat 78 gl1000, I own other bikes to include a guzzi convert as well as a guzzi v50, but the gl has always been one to make me smile, it was once a loved machine then a neglected machine, it has period correct EVERYTHING, and I think almost every piece of chrome offered at JC Whitney in 78...ahahaha, my goal is to restore it leave the bags and chrome...but gotta get it going first any help,advice or assistance is welcome.




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Re: new member

Postby virgilmobile » Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:53 am

Get it going is a bit vague.Can you be a bit more specific on what you need help with.?

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Re: new member

Postby Rick_in_Indy » Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:07 am

lol sorry.. first of all little to no spark from one coil/points some wires unplugged cant seem to figure out where from.... turns over well enough aft jumping across celenoid, but cant seem to get starter button, or the horn button to do anything.. the wires I cant seem to find where they connect too are: white with green strip, and green with yellow stripe ~under frame above the engine~ white with green stripe is hot. they are not cut just unplugged.... also white with green strip unplugged near the neck.. again not cut just unplugged bullet style ~female~

good spark at one set of points ~bottom>?~ top set has very very weak spark

wire harness does appear to be un-molested and fuzes I can find are all good ~new~

the diagram here doesnt really show white with green stripe.... I dunno
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Postby virgilmobile » Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:21 am

First.Download from the manuals section,the color schematic.
Second.A weak spark is common for this bike but they should be the same from both coils.
A weal spark can be traced by switching the 2 wires at the pionts.DO NOT TRY TO START IT.Pull the plugs and lay them all on the block.
This is done to find if the weak spark stays at the same plug(bad coil) or follows the points(bad capicitor).Don't forget to switch the wires back.
There is a good method about setting the points to get the timing right.It's called split the difference.
I'll look into the wiring to locate the color code you mention.

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Postby Rick_in_Indy » Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:37 am

yea I did the color scematic from here,,, wrather vague ...yellow=white?
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Postby themainviking » Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:51 pm

You can download a service manual from here:

http://www.goldwingworld.com/pdffiles/G ... manual.pdf

Clymer >160MB

Or Here:

http://myweb.midco.net/gl1100singlecarb ... anual.html

Honda Service (46MB) or Owners etc....
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Re: new member

Postby virgilmobile » Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:28 pm

Directly from the downloaded service manual...The wires in question are for the brake lights.

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Postby Rick_in_Indy » Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:46 pm

thank you very much.... here is a question however..... any reason the starter button does not engage the starter? is there a relay from button to celenoid that could be in question?..... I have taken apart the button and cleaned it it is working fine ~according to multimeter~
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Postby virgilmobile » Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:50 pm

It's a 2 part system.When you push the start button,it sends 12 volts to the solenoid.The neutral switch and/or clutch switch provide the ground path.

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Postby Rick_in_Indy » Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:30 am

thank you again for the response......... still no starter with the button and spark at the points seems to be intermittent I have exhausted every possible reason other than celenoid itself can be to blame. seems odd to me that I can jump across it and it turns over well......

is there anyone here in Indiana I could call and ask questions? possibly load it up and take it to them for some help? I am far too poor to afford a shop, and just having moved here I dont know anyone here....
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Postby terryt » Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:12 am

Hi you don’t mention any thing about pulling the clutch lever in.
on my 78 gl1000 I have to pull the clutch lever in to operate the starter.
It my also be a bad earth. I had to replace the wire from the clutch lever to solenoid

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Re: new member

Postby Rick_in_Indy » Sun Aug 05, 2012 10:39 am

dissabled clutch saftey..IE: connect the two wires together with a 10amp fuze..basicly have dissabled every saftey there is on the darn thing just to get the starter button to work, all to no avail. builder buddie has said its the celenoid causing it to not turn over as it should with the button...
brief: the bike was left sitting after the clutch cable broke sat for approx 2 yrs, then fell into my hands.. rear lighting is in dissarray and is the brakes...... extreemly little funds avail to get her going and the items I am missing are: a set of front pads. otherwize the wing is period correct 1978 even with stock seat, and vetter rubber headlight cover.
Items I would like to get for it is the kickstarter set-up ~I have never seen one but the manual says its avail. the goal is to set it up total period correct dressed have seen allot of nekid wings pop up and I think the dressed ones are getting hard to see;
copression is at over 165 wet so being a honda if I can get good spark it should run...maybe not "good" but run none the less.
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Re: new member

Postby Fred Camper » Sun Aug 05, 2012 10:51 am

If you bridge the two solenoid terminals with a think metal bridge then you take the solenoid out of the situation. So does that get you?

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Postby Rick_in_Indy » Sun Aug 05, 2012 10:58 am

Yea Fred I can jump across the celenoid and it turns over great.. just can figure out why the button wont work. test out ok with multimeter and tester yet wont turn it over when pressed
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Re: new member

Postby Fred Camper » Sun Aug 05, 2012 11:32 am

So we know the starter is good but cannot be sure the solenoid is doing its job. If your solenoid is getting a voltage signal from the switch, then you can be pretty sure the solenoid is bad.

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Re: new member

Postby Rick_in_Indy » Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:04 am

celenoiud is deff bad. without having to go through honda, is there a viable replacement I could use?

also mine being a 78 what years are interchangeable? 75-79? or all gl1000 till 1100?
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Re: new member

Postby Fred Camper » Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:34 pm

I suspect any earlier solenoid would work fine, as would an automotive solenoid of the type that just moves the power and does not engage the starter gear. Seems like Ford used a dash mounted solenoid that would work fine on an old wing.

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Postby Rick_in_Indy » Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:59 am

thanks again fred, you have been a wealth of info for me. right now am waiting for a buddie in oregon to send me some of his take off parts ~old honda stuff~, so wile waiting I have filled the gast tank with vineger and am just doing a general cleaning, I was gonna do a total take down but I am really digging the idea of this old girl being an UN RESTORED and original 78 dresser. Still havent found anyone here in central Indiana that is into old wings and the ones I have met are all abt the 6cyl bikes or the v-twin rides

Sidenote: the people in the midwest seem to be missing on the charm and gift of riding the pre-85 bikes, the cafe' scene, and really any of the feeling of accomplishment of ressurecting and old bike. doesnt seem to be any comradery here. ~I am missing the pacific north west~
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Re: new member

Postby scotterichmond » Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:25 am

I'd ride with ya and work on your bike too, but you would have to come back to the wet side.

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Re: new member

Postby Rick_in_Indy » Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:58 am

I will be back to the GREAT PACIFIC NORTH WET as soon as possible...... best roads to ride in the entire nation.... the 101-112 loop is the best single day ride not many know abt.
I didnt change my mind.......... I just added to the original plan.

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Re: new member

Postby Rick_in_Indy » Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:54 am

update: celenoid replaced with one from a lawn mower ~dont ask~. hit starter engine turns over maybe one/two times then running. only with choke on and a rag soaked with fuel in airbox.....~old junk yard trick~, but does start and will run engine sounds very solid.... so now the all important question, how much of a pain is it going to be to get the carbs off for a good cleaning and so on?
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Re: new member

Postby scotterichmond » Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:39 am

there not too bad , I have done my 75 a few times and now I can do it in about 20 minutes. the first time it takes a little longer.read the manual first. you must remove the air cut off valve , or it will not slide out, period!

scott

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Postby Rick_in_Indy » Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:01 pm

UPDATE AND HELP: carbs off ~ real easy~... issue...... number 1 bowl cracked, two pieces. issue number 2 carb the post that the float pin goes through is busted, looks like a repair was attempted....... anyone have a carb body, and float bowl and a float needle they could spare?... missing the float needle alltogether....... I am pretty poor but I think we could work something out

send phone number I will call and inquire
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Re: new member

Postby Rick_in_Indy » Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:07 pm

these carbs are a testament of how tough the old wings are, full of crap sediment and goo, busted float post, gummed up to the point of total junk looked like they were buried in sand/silt for a long time then filled with glue..... and this damn wing runs,starts and would idle.... granted not good but still ran.....
this old girl is getting lots of love now thinking she's gonna be a great runner for me. after a crab replacement.
I didnt change my mind.......... I just added to the original plan.

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Re: new member

Postby Fred Camper » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:32 pm

So you need some 1978 carb parts, better post over at NGWClub.com too to find more cabinets that are full of carbs.




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