Cam shaft wheel and woodruff key removal


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Cam shaft wheel and woodruff key removal

Postby mattjohnson207 » Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:58 am



Any suggestions? (still on the bike) already broke and drilled out of the head one bolt, I'm a little paranoid to remove the camshaft again. Ok , I deserve it, forgot to put the timing belt case peice on :roll: thanks, Matt i Glendale Az



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Re: Cam shaft wheel and woodruff key removal

Postby Old Fogey » Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:04 am

A bit more info needed here.
What are you trying to achieve by removing the cam wheel?
What bolt did you already break?
What is the timing belt piece you refer too?
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Re: Cam shaft wheel and woodruff key removal

Postby SteveB123 » Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:44 pm

A simple two arm puller will do.
How did you get it off the first time?
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Re: Cam shaft wheel and woodruff key removal

Postby mattjohnson207 » Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:04 pm

cleaned up the heads and replaced the gaskets and valve stem seals. (78 GL 1000). never removed the pulleys from the camshaft ______New problem; upon replacing the camshaft and bolting it down, even loosely, the passenger side is ok, the drivers side, though the pulley is placed with the "up" in the correct position, it is extremley tight, wont budge. Not even bolted down very tight .seemingly locked by? spring pressure, binding? done this three times before but never had this problem. Had the same problem on the passenger side, but in a moment of inspiration I muscled it over, now it sits fine, rotates back and forth bertween spring pressure easily.
But if I muscle this one over, the up marks will be out of place. Thanks for your help!

matt in glendale Az

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Re: Cam shaft wheel and woodruff key removal

Postby mattjohnson207 » Tue Oct 16, 2012 11:08 pm

left side ok, right side won't budge, even when only finger tight
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Re: Cam shaft wheel and woodruff key removal

Postby mattjohnson207 » Tue Oct 16, 2012 11:12 pm

Thanks Steve, two arm puller sounds like the ticket. Don't think I've ever seen one though, Where can I find one?
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Re: Cam shaft wheel and woodruff key removal

Postby SteveB123 » Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:45 am

mattjohnson207 wrote:left side ok, right side won't budge, even when only finger tight


One pulley is an innie, and one is an outie....so they'll line up with crank pulley. Could you possible have them turned around?
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Re: Cam shaft wheel and woodruff key removal

Postby mattjohnson207 » Wed Oct 17, 2012 5:42 pm

HI Steve, pulleys have never been off, I'll try reassembling it later...matt

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Re: Cam shaft wheel and woodruff key removal

Postby Old Fogey » Thu Oct 18, 2012 1:15 am

More to the point, what position is the crankshaft in? You could well be tightening an open valve down onto a piston. I hope that by 'muscleing' it over you haven't bent a valve (or two)!

You should never, ever force anything like that. If something is tight that shouldn't be, stop and investigate even if it means redoing the work you have just done.
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Re: Cam shaft wheel and woodruff key removal

Postby mattjohnson207 » Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:36 pm

Thanks Fogey, will disassemble and check it out, sounds like the problem...matt

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Re: Cam shaft wheel and woodruff key removal

Postby mattjohnson207 » Sat Oct 27, 2012 1:38 am

Have removed the heads. an auto mechanic freind tapped the springs withn a light hammer, sounded different , said the valve was hung up. sure enough we found a shiny spot on the piston valve recess. Rolled the valve on glass, no sign that it was bent. Two possible causes: The valve stem seal was bent before I installed it. # 2 cause could be I installed the inner springs upside down. If this isn the case, how do youn tell which side is up?
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Re: Cam shaft wheel and woodruff key removal

Postby SteveB123 » Sat Oct 27, 2012 4:05 am

mattjohnson207 wrote:Have removed the heads. an auto mechanic freind tapped the springs withn a light hammer, sounded different , said the valve was hung up. sure enough we found a shiny spot on the piston valve recess. Rolled the valve on glass, no sign that it was bent. Two possible causes: The valve stem seal was bent before I installed it. # 2 cause could be I installed the inner springs upside down. If this isn the case, how do youn tell which side is up?
thanks...Matt


For the life of me, I can't see how either of those scenerios could cause a valve to stop moving.It would have to be one hell of a seal issue to stop a valve from returning....and if you can't tell which end is up on the valve springs, it doesn't matter. The spring ends don't have notches or seats to index into, like strut spring on a car might. I just did my heads, and put the right side together, with the springs "all the same way". On the left side head, I couldn't see any difference, and suspect the ideas with the right side was all in my head. :lol:

To check for a bent valve, try lapping it in, and have a look at the results.
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Re: Cam shaft wheel and woodruff key removal

Postby terryt » Sat Oct 27, 2012 4:24 am

I agree with Steve here. check the valve. there should be two springs holding this. so its ether both springs are worn or the valve bent.
try putting it back in the head. turn it by hand at the same time pushing it in and out. to see if there is any tight spots

has this been parked up for a long time.

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Re: Cam shaft wheel and woodruff key removal

Postby Fred Camper » Sat Oct 27, 2012 5:27 am

Sure seem to me that the lash was wrong and it was held open. Did you check lash before removing the rocker shaft?

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Re: Cam shaft wheel and woodruff key removal

Postby mattjohnson207 » Sat Oct 27, 2012 3:53 pm

Noted...will check into this stuff Thanks!
matt




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