Wont go into gear


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Wont go into gear

Postby brandon617 » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:59 pm



I have a question, I just inherited a 79 goldwing, the cycle starts and seems to click into gear, but it will not move. Any thoughts on what the issue may be? Brandon



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Re: Wont go into gear

Postby thrasherg » Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:44 pm

You still have it on the center stand?? :lol:

My guess would be that it is not going into gear, but if it is, then either the clutch is not engaging, or the drive shaft has broken. If you stop the engine with the bike in gear, can you turn the rear wheel by hand? If the rear wheel turns and you have quite a bit of resistance that would indicate that it is turning the gearbox and that the clutch is probably the problem. If the rear wheel is turning with little to no resistance then the bike is either not in gear of the transmission has broken somewhere between the wheel and the gear box, either way it will give us an idea of where to start looking..

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Re: Wont go into gear

Postby brandon617 » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:29 pm

I will try moving it with my hands. I can hear it go into hear but no movement. When I put it on the center stand and then put in hear it moves some. I have been told it is probably the final drive shaft?

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Re: Wont go into gear

Postby Fred Camper » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:33 pm

Take off the final drive, that is not a bad job, and they I suspect you will know. It could be the final drive also.

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Re: Wont go into gear

Postby thrasherg » Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:05 pm

I also suspect the drive shaft, but lets check first..

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Re: Wont go into gear

Postby brandon617 » Sat Jan 12, 2013 12:36 am

Gary-
I put it in gear and had very little resistance, so I guess it is in the gearbox or something. I do not think it is the clutch because when I have it up on stand and put in gear and the back tire moves some, when I put the clutch back in the back tire stops, so i think the clutch is working. Thoughts??

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Re: Wont go into gear

Postby thrasherg » Sat Jan 12, 2013 12:05 pm

Brandon, I would suspect a failed drive shaft before a failed gearbox. I think you are going to have to remove the rear wheel and probably the swing arm to see if the drive shaft has failed. Shafts failing is more common than gearboxes failing. I have not removed the drive shaft on a 1000 so we will need someone else to chip in and explain how it's done. It is usually not difficult but does take a couple of hours to do.. I will try to find a 1000 manual and see if we can access the output shaft from the gearbox so we can confirm if the fault is with the shaft or the engine/gearbox.
If the wheel was turning the gearbox and you are in 1st gear there would be quite a bit of resistance to turning the wheel. As you said there was very little resistance, either the shaft has broken (usually the splines get very worn and slip rather than something actually breaking) so we are not rotating the gearbox, or the bike has stayed in neutral so again we are not rotating the gears in the gearbox. Let me look at a manual and see what can be checked before you start any major work.

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Re: Wont go into gear

Postby brandon617 » Sat Jan 12, 2013 2:50 pm

Thanks Gary-
My neighbor who is helping me with this, said he thinks it is the drive shaft. Thank you for all your help, if it is the drive shaft are those expensive? Brandon

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Re: Wont go into gear

Postby thrasherg » Sat Jan 12, 2013 8:02 pm

Drive shafts are usually not that expensive (around $50, but shipping can be quite expensive as they are heavy), but they can be hard to find and you have to be very careful that when you find one, it isn't badly worn and about to fail (As yours might have!!). If you where nearer to Seattle (I used to live in Austin until a year ago!) I would have loved to help you.. All the best and keep us posted, but I will also look for a manual to see I can help with any further suggestions. I hope it is as simple as the drive shaft, it's a lot more work to get into the gearbox!!

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Re: Wont go into gear

Postby terryt » Sun Jan 13, 2013 5:11 am

Before you start to take it to bits. pull back the rubber boot joint thats between the engine and swing arm. it covers the drive shaft
With the bike on its centre stand and in neutral. turn the rear wheel looking at the swing arm joint to see if the shaft turns.
also while your turning the wheel. with you other hand knock it into gear to check if the wheel stops turning freely.
also the circlip that hold the shaft to the engine and rear diff may be missing

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Re: Wont go into gear

Postby thrasherg » Sun Jan 13, 2013 12:37 pm

Thanks Terry, that's why I wanted to look at a manual to see if there was any way to see the drive shaft closer to the engine output.. Hopefully Brandon can check under the boot first..

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Re: Wont go into gear

Postby brandon617 » Sun Jan 13, 2013 7:47 pm

Thanks Terry,
I had already gotten the rear wheel off before I got your message, I have taken off the final hub, and my neighbor and I looked at the drive shaft with it running and in gear and he said it was very strong and moved smooth so I took the hub apart and it does not really look worn down anything that i could look at on it to tell?
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Re: Wont go into gear

Postby Fred Camper » Sun Jan 13, 2013 9:40 pm

So did the shaft spin normally when you have the engine running and the final drive removed? If so, then I would think the final drive else your clutch or gear box need more investigation.

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Re: Wont go into gear

Postby brandon617 » Sun Jan 13, 2013 10:08 pm

Yes it moved smooth. It switches gears smooth and when the tire was on and I had it off the ground the tire would move in gear and when I put clutch in tire would stop every time I put clutch in so don't think it is the clutch. So you think it may be the hub
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Re: Wont go into gear

Postby Fred Camper » Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:01 pm

either the rear hub or the clutch, but I would look at the clutch first.

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Re: Wont go into gear

Postby brandon617 » Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:28 pm

Let me ask a question about the clutch. If I try to start the motor while in gear it will not try to start but if I put clutch on it will then start. Will that make a difference on whether it is the clutch or hub. Just trying to give all the details I can. Thank you do much for your help

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Re: Wont go into gear

Postby Fred Camper » Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:43 pm

If you pull the clutch in, then it lets the starter turn by turning on the solinoid. So it does not mean the starter cannot turn clutch, because there is no electricity to switch the solinoid. To test that, you can just jumper the solinoid and see if it will turn with the clutch engaged. But you could do the same thing by pushing the bike down a hill then engaging the clutch and seeing if the engine turns.

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Re: Wont go into gear

Postby thrasherg » Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:13 pm

in case Fred's email was a little difficult to understand. Goldwings will not start in gear (out of neutral) unless you pull the clutch lever in. There is a small switch on the clutch lever that detects if the clutch lever is pulled in or not. This proves nothing about the clutch operation, just that the clutch lever is moving and the switch in the clutch lever (On the handlebar) is operating correctly.

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Re: Wont go into gear

Postby brandon617 » Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:36 pm

What is the best way to check the clutch to see if it is working properly? I don't see anything obvious on final hub. Looks like some are worn down but could just be me wanting to see that. How can I check if it is clutch or not?

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Re: Wont go into gear

Postby Fred Camper » Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:29 pm

Get a friend and push the bike around, then put it in gear and push the bike around. Do this with the boot around the shaft pulled back so you can see if the shaft is turning. If it is the clutch, the shaft will turn. If it is the final drive, the shaft will not turn.

Or, put the bike on the center stand. Roll the rear tire by hand, then put it in gear and roll the rear tire even if it takes more effort. Note what the shaft is doing.

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Re: Wont go into gear

Postby terryt » Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:21 am

brandon617 wrote:I have a question, I just inherited a 79 goldwing, the cycle starts and seems to click into gear, but it will not move. Any thoughts on what the issue may be? Brandon

So what happens exactly then. you start it up and it ticks over
you then pull the clutch in select 1st gear release the clutch increaseing the revs at the same time
no what happens do it just rev up. stall ?

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Re: Wont go into gear

Postby brandon617 » Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:28 pm

Terry
Nothing no loss of power it does not die just does not move

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Re: Wont go into gear

Postby portugeezer » Sun Jan 20, 2013 3:46 am

Whoa! Hang on a sec! I had this problem. Pull the boot back. The drive shaft has a U joint. Inside the joint there is a ring clip. Those clips break so the shaft is turning on the output side but not on the final drive side! The back wheel turns a bit on the center stand because the two parts are touching but they are not attached! If this is the problem you need a 35 cent clip and a pair of ring clip pliers and the bike is fixed! I hope that is your problem and I wish you luck! BTW you will need a bright flaslight to see that clip.

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Re: Wont go into gear

Postby brandon617 » Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:55 am

CAn you get to it by just pushing back the boot or do i need to take off anything to get to it? Thank you for your advice I hope it works as well, I am wanting to ride badly and was not looking forward to doing all the work it would take for a clutch repair. I Hope it works! Thanks The clip you are talking about is it called the Universal joint circlip?
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Re: Wont go into gear

Postby portugeezer » Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:42 am

First let me just say that I am by no means the expert here. I get things fixed because of persistence. You push the boot toward the rear of the bike. I jammed a screwdriver in there to hold it back out of the way. Shine a flashlight down into where the two pivoting parts of the U joint are. There is a clip that keeps them together. You said you already have the rear wheel off. If the clip is broken or gone or laying in the boot you push the shaft toward the front of the bike and it will go back in place. The clip is a hardware store item. Hopefully you have a broken or stretched one to compare. If not buy $5 worth of different sizes to find the corrrect ones. The type that fits looks like an almost complete ring. You need special pliers to open the ring to clip it on. I am going to look through my burnt up garage for my extra drive shaft. If I have it i will take a pic of what your looking for!




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