Need Info about possible porblem


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Need Info about possible porblem

Postby Dave_B » Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:35 pm



Hello. I recently traded for a 1977 GL 1000. I love the bike and it runs great. My question to any and all who care to share their advice is this: A couple times since I have got the bike we have ran the battery down cranking and whatnot. I don't really see a prob per say, but I was talking to my cousin, who is a little more familiar with bike mechanics than I am. He enlightened me to the fact that bikes have stators to generate power and keep the battery charged etc. He also told me that replacing one was a total nightmare. We called a Honda dealer and they informed me Honda no longer makes the stator I would need and if he could find a used one it would run me 400.00 . I got online and have found several in the 120.00 to 140.00 price range. They aren't "Honda" OEM but would one work just as well? The Honda dealer said replacing the stator was a 14 hour job. They said Labor alone would be 1,000 dollars so that would be 1,400.00 . That would be more than I could afford to put into the bike. Is this really that big of a job? or is this just a dealer trying to gouge me? One last question on this, is there a simple way that I myself can test to be sure the stator is working good? Thanks in advance for any info. Dave



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Re: Need Info about possible porblem

Postby thrasherg » Thu Feb 28, 2013 8:30 pm

Do you have access to a volt meter? If yes gain access to the battery, connect the voltmeter and check the battery voltage (a good battery should be close to 12 volts) without the engine running. Then start the engine and hold the revs at about 2000RPM and measure the voltage at the battery, if the charging system is working correctly you should see something around 13.8 volts. If you don't then the charging system is not working.

If the charging system is not working, there are a number of possible faults:-
1) Bad wiring
2) Bad regulator/rectifier
3) Bad stator/alternator

Gold wings are notorious for melting the 3 pin plug coming from the stator to the regulator. My advice would be to perform the above voltage check and let us know what volts you have, we can then suggest what to check next, but if you have a few minutes free, search this web site for the 3 pin alternator plug melting, and look at the pictures to see where the plug is located and then check it on your bike. The general opinion is to remove the plug and hard wire the connections.

Do NOT but a stator until we have proven that yours is defective!! It is a pig of a job to change!!

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Re: Need Info about possible porblem

Postby WingAdmin » Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:43 pm

There is a specific way of testing the function of your stator. It's the same on the GL1000, GL1100, and GL1200. It's described in these threads:

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4010

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=9186

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Re: Need Info about possible porblem

Postby Fred Camper » Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:07 pm

My first guess is the three wire plug already mentioned, those are bad news and certain to fail. So my bet is you do not need a stator unless you really want to pump the economy lol.

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Re: Need Info about possible porblem

Postby Dave_B » Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:18 pm

Thank you very much everyone. I am feeling a whole lot better about the issue. God Bless ya'll. Dave

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Re: Need Info about possible porblem

Postby redial » Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:26 pm

1977 Honda Goldwing GL10000


That's an awfully big engine you have - do you have trouble filling with gas while the engine is running? :twisted:

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Re: Need Info about possible porblem

Postby Dave_B » Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:45 am

redial wrote:
1977 Honda Goldwing GL10000


That's an awfully big engine you have - do you have trouble filling with gas while the engine is running? :twisted:

Just me being a smart donkey!


LOL. sorry i recon i hit one to many 0's

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Re: Need Info about possible porblem

Postby Placerville » Fri Mar 01, 2013 2:47 am

In your posting, you jumped from running your battery down (due to starting attempts etc.) to a concern about a perceived need for a new stator and the hassle of replacement. That's a big jump.

First, the advice above regarding stator testing is good. If, for some reason, you feel your stator needs to be tested, go ahead, but why do you think it's performance is in question? From your original statement you said that you ran the battery down. If that's so, I suggest that you first invest in a good quality combination battery float/charger. GL's require a strong battery that's fully charged to run properly. When they don't have that, they get annoyed. When your bike is parked, always keep it on a float charger. By the way, don't buy an inexpensive $20 float charger. They are more bad than good and will ruin a good battery within a year. Shop around and buy an 'intelligent' charger, the type that de-sulfates and tests your battery while it keeps it charged. Here's a very good one for about $50. It charges very slowly (the best type of charging) and keeps your battery at maximum charge while testing and desulfating.

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Re: Need Info about possible porblem

Postby portugeezer » Fri Mar 01, 2013 10:23 pm

I would solder the three wires to start off with. If someone added extra lights you may want to remove them because the charging system may not be able to keep up with them. If you have a dim headlight Fred can tell you how to fix that. If you try all these things suggested and nothing works you can get a stator for under $100 on ebay. Even if it's a big job you will be able to do it and you will learn a lot about your bike doing it.

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Re: Need Info about possible porblem

Postby Old Fogey » Sun Mar 03, 2013 9:24 am

A dealer is going to take 14 hours to change a stator! :o Yeah, you were about to get RIPPED!

When I was across in 2009, I had a problem with the clutch on the borrowed bike. Whiskerfish (from NGW) and I pulled that engine, stripped the back end (which is where you would need to go to replace the stator), sorted out the problem, replaced the engine and had the bike running in under 5 hours!
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Re: Need Info about possible porblem

Postby Fred Camper » Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:12 pm

But that is two masters and 10 man hours. So the equal to 20 hours of the rest of us. So in that light 14 is not bad, but you masters worked for way less I bet so the Honda dude deserves $-5 per hour in comparison.




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