Troubleshooting the starting system


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Troubleshooting the starting system

Postby Leveled » Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:00 pm



Hi everyone - first post for me. I've appreciated all the info on this forum. Now it's time to join in bc I'm stuck.. or not ready to accept the answer I've come to. I'm also new to Goldwings.

My 79 GL1000 was running fine though it sometimes took a few tries to get it to start. I've got a new battery (only about 2 months use). Even with the new battery though, it sounded like something was spinning until it finally caught & started up.

Now, it's at the point where the starter relay solenoid just clicks. I replaced the solenoid but I'm getting the symptom with the 'new' solenoid. I tried to jump the solenoid by connecting the positive & negative terminals but only go the click at the solenoid when I hit the button. Does that mean it's bad or that there's another issue?

I found that the 30-amp fuse was bypassed when I first started working on it so I added a standard in-line fuse and some new wire. It seems to be grounded fine and I've confirmed that there's power all the way to the positive terminal on the Starter (when I hit the start button the light on my tester turns on while touching the positive terminal on the starter).

Am I missing anything or is the starter definitely the culprit? Is there any way I can test the starter?

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Re: Troubleshooting the starting system

Postby virgilmobile » Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:12 pm

Use a basic test light or volt meter...Attach it directly to the starter case for the ground and the positive lead to the STUD on the starter.Not the wire lug.
Hit the start button.If the light is bright or volts are above 10 volts,the starter should spin.
If not,remove and service it.If it spins but won't roll over the bike,the engine needs a good dose of Sea Foam run through it a few times.

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Re: Troubleshooting the starting system

Postby RBGA_BOB » Fri Jun 21, 2013 11:23 pm

When the solenoid "clicks", do the lights go dim? If so, then there is a draw on the battery. As I'd the starter was engaging, but was unable to turn the motor over. Also inspect the cable from the battery to the starter and the wire to the solenoid, look for breaks that could be shorting to ground along with green corrosion.

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Re: Troubleshooting the starting system

Postby wjnfirearms » Sat Jun 22, 2013 8:43 am

It is entirely possible that the starter is bound up or just not functioning any more. I'd rule out wiring problems, as was already suggested, first before I bought another starter or had it rebuilt.
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Re: Troubleshooting the starting system

Postby Leveled » Sat Jun 22, 2013 2:36 pm

Yeah, the starter has kicked the bucket. I've verified all the cables are in good shape and there is power to the positive lug on the starter. It makes sense that whoever had the bike before me was likely having trouble with the 30-amp fuse burning out if the starter was going bad. That's probably why the fuse was bypassed. Not only that, I'd had a bit of trouble with the bike stalling out when first accelerating from a stop. I wonder if that was because the starter was drawing too much power.

I wish I'd taken the time to find this article (http://goldwingdocs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=259) about removing/rebuilding the starter before I started to remove mine though. I damaged the positive connection when trying to remove the cable. The bolt spun and I confirmed once it was removed that the connection broke.

Pictures of my starter (http://www.evernote.com/shard/s5/sh/5a8490cb-4d52-49d8-96e3-0d3946af185f/6f63bf880ac6d5d72fb9c424436f52a8).

Thanks for all the help and your quick replies! I'll post an update once I get the new starter in which will, hopefully be the end of the issue.








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Re: Troubleshooting the starting system

Postby offcenter » Sat Jul 13, 2013 1:37 pm

Where is the ADMIN when you need him?
Any moderators on?
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Re: Troubleshooting the starting system

Postby WingAdmin » Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:29 pm

offcenter wrote:Where is the ADMIN when you need him?
Any moderators on?


What do you need?

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Re: Troubleshooting the starting system

Postby offcenter » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:12 pm

WingAdmin wrote:
offcenter wrote:Where is the ADMIN when you need him?
Any moderators on?


What do you need?


You already took care of it, thanks. I was referring to the
spammer's post of gobbletygook on here.
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Re: Troubleshooting the starting system

Postby Fred Camper » Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:14 pm

When I cleaned and lubed mine, it ran just like new and still does a year later. Cleaning the old is better than buying unknown quality so do let us know how yours comes out Leveled.

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Re: Troubleshooting the starting system

Postby Leveled » Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:30 am

She runs like a champ with the new starter installed. In addition to starting up on the first try now, she's not stalling out when accelerating from a stop like before.

I read a few posts about removing the starter. Some reported that we shouldn't see any significant oil drain if the bike's not overfilled. However, mine drained about 3/4 quart when I pulled my starter out. I'd changed my oil soon before and filled to the spec's so look out if / when you have to remove your starter. May want to grab a pan first.

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