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Forum Newbie 1977 GL 1000

Postby RonHolly » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:01 pm



Hello to all. Yes I'm the new guy on the block. I just became the owner of a 1977 Honda GWing GL 1000. I guess I'll be pestering the heck out of everyone for tips and technical help. I'm not entirely new to Honda though. I also have a '98 Valkyrie and that's why I wanted an early model GWing. Same engine sorta/kinda less 2 cylinders. My plan is to make a Cafe style bike out of it. I hope no one finds this "purist sacrilege!" The paint really doesn't look that good.

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Re: Forum Newbie 1977 GL 1000

Postby Fred Camper » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:11 pm

1977 owned by me as well. A very good year. They have to have an electronic ignition update, or you have to time it using a split timing method or else only one side of the engine is timed correct. Don't hesitate to ask. And they are very lean off idle up to 3500 rpm due to early emission tuning. That is easy to correct as well. These bikes run strong and long, so it is a great choice for a frequent ride. These carbs are complicated and were not designed for storage. But once they are corrected and ridden regularly (3 months down in the winter is fine with marine stabil) they are always in tune and great performers.

Your bike looks very nice. Do not be afraid to modify, Honda made lots of 1977's and the museums have all that they need. The remaining bikes are for our riding.

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Re: Forum Newbie 1977 GL 1000

Postby RonHolly » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:26 pm

Hello Fred. I just got it today and drove it home about 60 miles. The former owner has had it for 32 years and said not much has been done to it. The speedo doesn't work but he say's it's probably over 100K on her. No smoke and say's it will go oil change to oil change without adding. (10w-30 Mineral oil) He didn't drive it much anymore cause he also has a Valkyrie. The more I drove it the better it ran. Probably blew some cobb webbs out! LoL Has some old age noises especially when starting up and takes quit a bit of time to warm up. I also suspect the clutch has problems. No slippage but has an unusual clunk when starting off. I thought it was the final drive but quick accel and decel throttle no clunk. Hmmmm! Only guages that work is the tach no panel lights work. Fuel guage inop. Don't know if I paid too much, $900, for a running moto or not. It does run good though. Lot's of work to be done and will do everything down to the frame. New clutch assembly and rear main seal for starters, although there are no leaks. What ya think Fred? Thanks, Ron

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Re: Forum Newbie 1977 GL 1000

Postby Fred Camper » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:38 pm

You got a bargain. If you are going to do a clutch, an option is to use a hydraulic unit from a 1200. Fits right in. Takes more work in that you need to run the line and replace the lever, but then you have a much stronger 1200 clutch. The speedo will come back to life, also use NGWClub.com for a resource. Between this site and that you will find a huge amount of time savers and time robbers. Be careful with oil, as it is shared with the transmission also so you need one without friction modifiers. Plenty of info on oil (oh my, a kitten just died). Easy to replace all the gauge lights with LED's, but if you gauges do not work you need a new 7 volt regulator. This site has one for sale.

No really, it is a terrible bike. But I can take it off your hands if you are too busy.

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Re: Forum Newbie 1977 GL 1000

Postby RonHolly » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:48 pm

Ha, got luck with prying it out of my hands! LoL I looked at soo much junk before I found this one. I was thinking of using a higher viscosity oil because of it's age and milage. He said do not use the ethenol based fuels cause it eats seals. Only place to find that gas is marinas. Should that be a concern about the fuel? Down here in Florida we ride year round so I don't think fuel stabilizer will be needed.

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Re: Forum Newbie 1977 GL 1000

Postby Fred Camper » Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:37 pm

The use of fuel stabilizer is to counteract ethanol in gas. You need to use Marine Sta-bil or use MMO with each tank to protect your fuel system. Only gas w/ethanol is available up here so I currently use MMO in most all fills. Not sure what it is about MMO that makes it work with gas w/ethanol, but many different sources of GL experts support its use.

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Re: Forum Newbie 1977 GL 1000

Postby Old Fogey » Sun Jan 26, 2014 5:22 pm

RonHolly wrote: Has some old age noises especially when starting up and takes quit a bit of time to warm up. I also suspect the clutch has problems. No slippage but has an unusual clunk when starting off. I thought it was the final drive but quick accel and decel throttle no clunk. Hmmmm! Only guages that work is the tach no panel lights work. Fuel guage inop. Don't know if I paid too much, $900, for a running moto or not. It does run good though. Lot's of work to be done and will do everything down to the frame. New clutch assembly and rear main seal for starters, although there are no leaks.


They are cold blooded beasts and do take a while to get up to temperature. Nothing to worry about.
The 'unusual clunk' isn't. Unusual, that is. It's what we term the 'half turn clunk', annoying but harmless. Nothing to do with the clutch; it's caused by the sprung cam-style drive shaft shock absorber loading and unloading, probably due to the big spring getting old. You can still buy the spring: good luck fitting it without the special Honda tool!
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Re: Forum Newbie 1977 GL 1000

Postby RonHolly » Mon Jan 27, 2014 7:08 pm

I don't know if I'm going a second childhood or not but I just bought another Gold Wing . I won the low bid on eBay and now I have to figure out how to go up to Tallahassee and pick it up. Runs but not good enough to ride so I will have to rent a trailer I guess. Anyway it a, hopefully, nice '80 model fully dressed. Here's a pic if it loads good. Gotta hide this one till I get some action going on the '77 cause the "WIFE" will "KILL" me. The devil made me do it honey! :twisted:
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Re: Forum Newbie 1977 GL 1000

Postby Fred Camper » Mon Jan 27, 2014 7:24 pm

Oh the dark side, an 1100. So are you going to take her down to naked? Looks very well cared for so you will have a very nice second ride.

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Re: Forum Newbie 1977 GL 1000

Postby RonHolly » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:02 pm

Fred Camper wrote:Oh the dark side, an 1100. So are you going to take her down to naked? Looks very well cared for so you will have a very nice second ride.


No I'm not modding this one. I'll ride her the way she is. He said he stripped it down to the frame and painted everything, rebuilt the carbs, new seals put it all back together and couldn't get it to run right. He's rebuilt several bikes but this one just didn't want to co-operate. He said he's got vacuum lead on the carb somewhere and they need to be balanced. Hmmm guess I'll be finding out soon. Price was right no matter what I have to do to it. Oh, it also came with an extra short block.

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Re: Forum Newbie 1977 GL 1000

Postby Fred Camper » Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:06 pm

Maybe once she is running well you will consider making the top trunk removable? That is the bag that makes her look most top heavy.

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Re: Forum Newbie 1977 GL 1000

Postby RonHolly » Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:55 pm

Fred Camper wrote:Maybe once she is running well you will consider making the top trunk removable? That is the bag that makes her look most top heavy.


Probably will remove the trunk! I just don't like the look.

I just got back from Tallahassee a few minutes ago. What I nightmare of a trip. When I got there it was sleeting and 30 degrees! Guess what? Pictures always look better than the bike, I guess. Not really bad but just not as good as I had thought of in my head! By the time I got to the place I was going to stay that night, it was 29 degrees. "Then" I had a horrible thou ght. What if he didn't put anti-freeze in it! I called him and he said he didn't even think about that being it was in his garage and did put only water in her! Well you guess it, me with no tools and temp dropping I had to cut the radiator hose and start the engine to push water out of the engine. Don't know if any damage was done till I get her checked out the next day or two. Started back to Tampa Thursday evening, and about 75 miles down the road, and the fuel pump went out in my Tahoe. Out in the middle of "NOWHERE" and even the cattle don't roam. Had no signal on my cell phone to call AAA towing. Got up on the roof and must barely made contact to get towed. Two days later, and $561.00 mechanic bill, plus motel I made it back to Tampa this evening. "Now will someone give me some cheese to go along with my whine!" :shock:

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Re: Forum Newbie 1977 GL 1000

Postby Fred Camper » Sat Feb 01, 2014 9:37 pm

Wow. You deserve a full wheel of cheese. Glad you got a cell signal and got home safe.

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Re: Forum Newbie 1977 GL 1000

Postby Old Fogey » Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:02 pm

Gee whiz..........that's a story and a half! Glad you got back in one piece.
I would never have thought of standing on the roof of the truck to get a signal, although now you mention it, it does make sense.
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Re: Forum Newbie 1977 GL 1000

Postby Old Fogey » Mon Feb 03, 2014 10:47 pm

All the valves are set at 0.004" / 0.10mm. Make sure engine is stone cold before setting.
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Re: Forum Newbie 1977 GL 1000

Postby RonHolly » Wed Feb 05, 2014 6:37 am

Too many projects and have put the '77 on the back burner for the moment. Been working on the new/old '80 interstate. To see that work go over to the GL1100 forum. Waiting to sync carbs and tech advice on the noise I can't seem to clarify it's source.

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Re: Forum Newbie 1977 GL 1000

Postby RonHolly » Sun Feb 09, 2014 4:21 pm

Thanks Wog and roncar for your advice and help. (Members from another forum) Wog came over this morning and showed me how to balance the carbs. The motor now idles well and really runs great. The motor noise was the main chain making noise due to the carbs fighting, (best description), each other and causing the chain to vibrate.

The clunk is the splines of the drive shaft going into the final drive. Wog suggest trying to grease the zert fitting to see if it will help. If not I'll have to pull the tire, final drive and drive shaft to replace the splines of the drive shaft. (Or which ever.)

Thanks guys once again for your help and hope that I can help you one day!

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Re: Forum Newbie 1977 GL 1000

Postby RonHolly » Wed Feb 12, 2014 6:05 pm

Just had a wake up call about "what I believe is a bad business!" Took my timing belt covers to a Chrome refinisher, here in Tampa, and the guy told me it would cost about $500 to re-chrome one set of covers. I said thank you very much and left. I just bought a brand new set for $58 with no exchange and free shipping!

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Re: Forum Newbie 1977 GL 1000

Postby Fred Camper » Wed Feb 12, 2014 6:56 pm

Way less expensive to polish them than chrome. But your buy was even better than the time to polish. Good to hear of all the progress. These bikes run great once up and going.

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Re: Forum Newbie 1977 GL 1000

Postby RonHolly » Wed Feb 12, 2014 8:46 pm

Seems I got all the bugs out of the engine and once I get the drive shaft to final drive straightened out it will be good to go! "Except for painting," which means a total tear down to the frame. I just want to make sure it runs like it should before the "transformation!" The painting and "transformation" will also have to wait until project bike #2, '80 Interstate, gets running properly. Yes I did bite off a big bite as a newbie!

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Re: Forum Newbie 1977 GL 1000

Postby RonHolly » Wed Feb 12, 2014 8:51 pm

RonHolly wrote:Just had a wake up call about "what I believe is a bad business!" Took my timing belt covers to a Chrome refinisher, here in Tampa, and the guy told me it would cost about $500 to re-chrome one set of covers. I said thank you very much and left. I just bought a brand new set for $58 with no exchange and free shipping!

Update: I forgot to mention that I got it from J.C. Witney Co.

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Re: Forum Newbie 1977 GL 1000

Postby RonHolly » Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:31 am

I just found my grease gun and added grease to the zert fitting for the drive shaft. I'll take it for a spin when I get a chance to see if it helped any with the clunk.

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Re: Forum Newbie 1977 GL 1000

Postby virgilmobile » Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:56 am

RonHolly wrote:I just found my grease gun and added grease to the zert fitting for the drive shaft. I'll take it for a spin when I get a chance to see if it helped any with the clunk.


Even if it helps,which I doubt,I really suggest removing the unit ,inspecting the spline area and greasing the entire splined shaft and coupler by hand with Moly 60 .....Right away and every time a new tire is put on the rear.....Might as well change the oil in the rear end too.

The grease fitting ends just inside the housing..I could never see how any grease could make it's way into the coupler...it seems to just spin around the outside...

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Re: Forum Newbie 1977 GL 1000

Postby RonHolly » Thu Feb 13, 2014 2:01 pm

Greased the spines and had momentary happiness! The grease worked temporarily until the grease warmed up. At first it was a 95% improvement and now that it's warmed up it's down to about 75% improvement. It's very usable but don't want to trust it. Just gonna have to change out the splines to make things correct and dependable. Hope I don't find any other things gone bad when I get it tore down.

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Re: Forum Newbie 1977 GL 1000

Postby Fred Camper » Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:56 pm

Are you sure if it is the female splines or male splines. Final Drives are not very expensive either and are easy to change.




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