78 GL Trouble Going Into Neutral


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78 GL Trouble Going Into Neutral

Postby Laura » Mon Jun 21, 2010 12:05 am



I have recently acquired a 78 GL1000. It runs beautifully! But, after it gets warm it becomes very difficult to find neutral. Sometimes it is simply impossible and I just stop trying and keep clutch in at stops. After bike is off for a few minutes it seems to go into neutral easily so getting it restarted is no problem. It is more of an annoying problem than anything. I have performed all routine maintenance and the adjustment on clutch cable seems to be fine. I do have a minor electrical issue but I wouldn't think this could be electrical? If anyone has any suggestions I would really appreciate it!



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Re: 78 GL Trouble Going Into Neutral

Postby WingAdmin » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:04 am

What kind of oil are you running? Do you have any free play with the clutch lever when you first start to release it, or does it start catching as soon as you start to release the clutch?

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Re: 78 GL Trouble Going Into Neutral

Postby thrasherg » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:09 am

It definately is NOT electrical. As WingAdmin is asking, I would suspect something in the clutch mechanism is not correctly adjusted. Usually a dragging clutch causes problems like you describe and a dragging clutch is usually caused by either wrong oil or incorrect adjustement..

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Re: 78 GL Trouble Going Into Neutral

Postby Laura » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:20 pm

I am using the recommended weight listed in the owners manual...10-40. I use Spectro 4 motorcycle brand. Not sure what previous owner was using but it looked good and clean.

Yes, I do have to let the clutch out a bit before it engages.

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Re: 78 GL Trouble Going Into Neutral

Postby ErnieB » Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:19 pm

I'm using Castrol 10-40 and sometimes have the same problem. Oil?
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Re: 78 GL Trouble Going Into Neutral

Postby Laura » Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:37 pm

i think my problem is definetly the drag in the release of the clutch lever. How do I correct this?

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Re: 78 GL Trouble Going Into Neutral

Postby sfruechte » Thu Jul 01, 2010 8:53 am

Does the clutch cable operate freely? It should have a real easy pull. A couple years ago mine got so gummed up the clutch would slip under accelleration and the only problem was the clutch cable had gotten stiff. It was hard to believe the how easy the new one operated and how I had just gotten used to such a stiff pull on the lever.

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Re: 78 GL Trouble Going Into Neutral

Postby 78AzWing » Sat Jul 03, 2010 7:21 pm

I have that same little annoying (sometimes) thing going on with my '78 GL1000.

However I also had the same thing with my '71 CL350 and '74 Yamaha RD350 and my GL500 Silverwing from time to time.

Tain't the clutch, although it feels like it. Just all the drive train components still have a load on them when you stopped.

Let the clutch out a little so it barely starts to roll and that shifter will pop right up into neutral for you. No biggy, just a little binding.

I leave mine in gear at lights. Unless there is a train, then I'll idle in neutral or shut her down completely till the train goes by.
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Re: 78 GL Trouble Going Into Neutral

Postby 78AzWing » Sat Jul 03, 2010 7:30 pm

Unless your hand gets tired.
Then, yeah, you want it in neutral.
I don't like shutting the bike off at lights. The Yahoo in the cage behind you may/will go when the light changes, whether you've left or not. He might even have not even seen you when he stopped.
But then, again, I might just be paranoid. (Yes, Martha, I really do believe that they are out to get me!)
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Re: 78 GL Trouble Going Into Neutral

Postby Laura » Sat Jul 03, 2010 11:57 pm

Thanks everyone! I will look into these suggestions over the weekend. I'm not sure if the clutch lever is stiff or not....I'm new to the GoldWing and am used to a Harley which is REALLY stiff to pull in. So to say the GL is easier may not mean its easy.

Yes, it's an annoying issue that I can just deal with but I got this bike for almost nothing and was hoping to clean it, tune it up and re sell it But, now I enjoy the smooth comfort and operation so much more than the Harley (which until now was my daily commuter) I am probably going to keep it. So it will become my daily ride into downtown LA and I would just really like to be able to correct this problem.

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Re: 78 GL Trouble Going Into Neutral

Postby 78AzWing » Sun Jul 04, 2010 2:09 am

Could be just a little liquid graphite run down the inside of the cable housing for lubrication is all it needs.

Thought those newer Harley's were hydralic for the clutch. That is usually pretty light. And it will feel different to you than the cable clutch will. :geek:
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Re: 78 GL Trouble Going Into Neutral

Postby Laura » Sun Jul 04, 2010 3:22 am

AZ...Yes they are but it is still hard to pull in for me. But, I am only 5'4" so my hand can only extend so far! So it feels tough for me and I noticed the GL is much easier. I will try your suggestions. Thanks again!

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Re: 78 GL Trouble Going Into Neutral

Postby sfruechte » Sun Jul 04, 2010 1:06 pm

You might also try finding neutral as you roll up to a stop instead of waiting until you stop. It's good to year you like the wing, they have a way of making the noise and vibration of other bikes annoying.

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Re: 78 GL Trouble Going Into Neutral

Postby 78AzWing » Sun Jul 04, 2010 2:40 pm

I am only 5'5".
My inseam is 30". Which makes the seat on my '78 just a tad too high when stopped at stoplights/signs.
I find myself balancing on the balls of my feet, instead of flat-footed which I prefer.
Once the bike is rolling that isn't a problem.

On the other hand, I have an octave and a half finger-span on the piano, so the stock grip levers on most Motorcycles are inside my finger reach.

You might consider changing the grip levers on the Harley to the type that are L-shaped, so that the area your finger tips rest on is that much closer to your palm. Every little bit helps.

On the Wing, with the engine off, work the clutch lever, watching the joint between the lever and the mount where the cable comes through. There should be a visible bit of free-play there. You should see the joint gap open up and 1/4th of an inch or so before you start feeling any pressure on your fingertips. Book calls for 1/4 to 5/8ths of an inch there.
You adjust it by loosening the nut on the cable housing, then turning the cable housing in or out till you have the gap somewhere in that range. Holding a 1/4"" or 1/2" open end wrench up to the gap will give you a good visual on it.

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Re: 78 GL Trouble Going Into Neutral

Postby 78AzWing » Sun Jul 04, 2010 2:44 pm

What kind of clutch is used on your CRF?
If a cable type, then just adjust the clutch lever the same way.
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Re: 78 GL Trouble Going Into Neutral

Postby Fred Camper » Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:39 pm

For me, the easy way is as sfruechte mentioned. Do it while rolling to a stop but still at say 10 mph and whether you go from 2nd or 1st into neutral it is easy. Want till your stopped, frustration. Let out the clutch and let it barely roll, frustration. Let out the clutch and let it roll to 3 mph, goes right in.

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Re: 78 GL Trouble Going Into Neutral

Postby moffat » Sat Aug 14, 2010 4:05 am

I had a similar probvle with my GL1000 and firtted anew cable then I bought a repair manual and it advises the following
- loosen off the handle bar clutch adjustment and the adjustment at the gearbox end. Remove the clutch internal adjustemt cover at the very rear of the engine- should be 5mm allen bolts,
-Loosen the adjsute locknut off and screw in the clutch adjuster until resistance is felt then back off 3/4 a turn, tighten the locknut. The cluch is now adjusted properly and the operating rod will be happy!
-tighen up the cable adjuster at the gearbox to take up majority of cable slack then adjust fine adjuster at the handle bar
- leave some slack so that the clutch operating lever does not have the cable in tension so there is about half a inch movement before the clutch engages.

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Re: 78 GL Trouble Going Into Neutral

Postby CShroom » Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:12 am

I am the new guy here, and still learning about the idiosyncrasies of the GL's. But one thing I noticed is that if the idle is too high on my '78 it will have issues finding neutral. IIRC, the recommended idle speed is around 950 RPM. I am still getting mine dialed in and what noticed that if my idle was above 1100 RPM I would have issues.

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Re: 78 GL Trouble Going Into Neutral

Postby moffat » Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:03 pm

Goldwings of this vintage tend to rattle quite a bit at the standard 950 RPM tickover settings so some owners speed the tick over higher. This often causes a graunching spound as the first gear is engaged and sometimes neutral selection is difficult.
The best thing to do is get the machine ticking over at the correct speed of 950, one of the things I found was the settings of the contact breakers are very important and as there are two sets on this model wing they have to be carefully set at the correct gap.
I also found that having the carbs balanced by the Honda dealer helped as well.
The lubrication of the clutch cable is a must and the correct adjustent of the clutch operating push rod is something I tend to do and not just rely on ther cable adjustment which arew really only for the cable adjustments aftere the operating rod adjuctment procedure has been carried out. This is bit fiddly but can be done with the engine in the frame.
It the bike has a highish milage I woul flush the engine out with flushing oil- I understand in America its a brand named SEAFOAM? Then replace with the correct Oil as per the book.




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