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US frame on UK bike

Postby Maz » Tue May 19, 2015 4:54 am



Hi all,

I have got much information from this site as a guest, but figured it's about time I joined, so here I am.
I have a 1975 GL1000K1, UK bike but, as is the case with many old 'wings, the centre stand support cross-tube has split at the ends. I have a frame from a 1975 USA GL1000 that I intend to replace it with. My question is:- As the UK bike has the steering lock on the side of the head-stock, operated by a separate key and the US bikes have the lock incorporated into the ignition barrel, is it possible to cut the lock from the UK frame and, after drilling a suitable hole in the side of the head-stock, weld the lock to the USA frame? I would like to keep the bike as true to its original UK spec as possible, due to the fact that it's one of the first batch to be sold in the UK.
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Re: US frame on UK bike

Postby aussiegold » Wed May 20, 2015 4:03 am

that is interesting, that the UK bike has the steering lock there. i did not know that. are you certain it is stock ? if it is , it sure is worth keeping it the same as it came from the factory.
i reckon any welder would not have any trouble doing that job, it may also be worthwhile researching doing the job another way, and that is cutting the rusted part out of your original frame and using the section from the US one. that way, you keep your original frame no.just a thought. ;)
any chance of some pictures of that steering lock ? cheers, M.

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Re: US frame on UK bike

Postby Maz » Wed May 20, 2015 5:06 am

Hi. Yes it is stock. Pretty much all UK spec bikes have the lock there. I had thought about having the split section removed and welding in a section from the US frame, although my concerns are getting the position of the new part spot-on. Just a few millimetres out and I will be in the same boat as before, i.e. both wheels touching the ground when the bike is on the centre stand.
It would, obviously, be nice to keep the original frame number and this would be the only (legal) way of doing it.
I have attached a picture of the UK spec steering lock (not my bike though!).

Thanks for your reply. I'll have a few words with a friendly welder and see what they say.

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Re: US frame on UK bike

Postby aussiegold » Thu May 21, 2015 6:16 am

wow. !!! i have never seen a lock in that place. always in the ignition lock ( as mine is ) or down on the lower part of the triple clamp. where does the barrel of the lock , lock in to ?
that is a ripper !!
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Re: US frame on UK bike

Postby Maz » Thu May 21, 2015 6:51 am

There's a simple hole in the steering stem. You put the key in the lock, turn it 90degs and push the whole barrel in then turn the key back to lock the barrel in place. It works ok but you have to lock it with the steering turned to the right, which just doesn't look right (to me) when the bike's on the side stand.

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Re: US frame on UK bike

Postby thrasherg » Thu May 21, 2015 12:18 pm

Remember you will need to use UK yokes with it as the USA yokes probably don't have the cutout for the lock to engage into. Also the American upper bearing mount probably has a flange welded on it (that the American steering lock uses to lock the steering) that the UK doesn't so you will want to remove that.. You will need a good welder as you will have a flat surface on the lock (Where you cut it off) and a curved surface on the frame that you are welding to. It's perfectly possible to do, but get a good welder or it will be a mess..

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Re: US frame on UK bike

Postby Maz » Thu May 21, 2015 2:28 pm

Thanks for that, Gary. I'm definitely leaning more towards the idea of cutting out the bad section of the UK frame and replacing it with the same section removed from the US frame, as suggested by aussiegold. At least I get to keep the original frame number.
I've found a frame builder/ repairer who can do it. I'll have it powder-coated after.
Looks like I'll be spending my spare cash on the 'wing this year rather than buying amother bike!
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Re: US frame on UK bike

Postby thrasherg » Thu May 21, 2015 2:35 pm

It is certainly more desirable to keep the original frame number, so replacing a section of the frame has it's merits, just be sure the rest of the frame (The part you are keeping) is solid!! Bikes with matching Frame and engine numbers are always worth more than Frankenstein's!!

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Re: US frame on UK bike

Postby Maz » Fri May 22, 2015 1:46 am

Very true. When I bought the bike, about 5 years ago, it came with a folder full of documents from the 2 previous owners. A few of these were letters from Honda UK in reply to questions from the first owner. One of these letters is confirmation from Honda that my bike was one of the very first consignment of Goldwings to hit these shores.

The rest of the frame is in great shape, thankfully. Once I've had the work done, I'll upload some pics from before and after powder coat.

Thanks for your wise words.

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Re: US frame on UK bike

Postby Old Fogey » Mon May 25, 2015 8:07 am

Maybe it's just me, but I'm lost here.

So the steering lock on the UK frame doesn't work. But you don't like the way it locks to the side anyway. I simply can't see going to all that effort over a steering lock. Unless your bike is an extremely low number, having the correct lock position is going to make absolutely no difference to the value of the bike.
Just fit the USA ignition switch and be done with it.
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Re: US frame on UK bike

Postby Maz » Tue May 26, 2015 4:56 am

The bike is one of the first batch into the country in '75, John. However, I have indeed decided to carry on and fit the American frame. After all, it's MY bike and I don't intend selling it!

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Re: US frame on UK bike

Postby Old Fogey » Tue May 26, 2015 6:16 am

Maz wrote:The bike is one of the first batch into the country in '75, John. However, I have indeed decided to carry on and fit the American frame. After all, it's MY bike and I don't intend selling it!
Maz


I feel I was a bit brutal in my reply. I understand the desire to keep things original, hmm...no, actually I don't. I'm not an originality type of guy, as you will have seen from from my bike. It's really only of consequence if you intend to make a museum piece out of it., or try to get a premium price when selling it.
If you're doing neither it's another 1-of-100,000 40 year old bike to get used, ridden, repaired with whatever you can reasonably use, and enjoyed. The frame and engine numbers never matched and once the registration documentation has the changed number no-one will bat an eyelid, until the next owner who has to change THAT frame out in another goodness knows how many years.

I tend to view it like this. If the bike had been perfect from the off, Honda would not have made the hundreds of incremental changes over the years. I'm not even thinking of the model change in 78; during the first 3 years there were a great many detail changes. They had to make them, because they were ploughing a new furrow with that bike. The carbs in particular had so many changes.
Plus all the regional differences across the world. I know of at least 10 different rear light, light bracket and indicator set-ups for different areas. The American models in particular; different lights, running lights, wiring harness, switches, carbs, rear mudguard......

So get the thing back together, make a decent job of it and go and enjoy it. :)
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Re: US frame on UK bike

Postby Maz » Tue May 26, 2015 6:24 am

I know, I know..........I got accused of being too anal about it by some other friends! I finally thought " D'ya know what....it's my bike and I just want to ride it and keep it".
God know's none of my others are totally original. So yes, I will rebuild it (with a bit of a tidy up and a new set of carb tubing from your good self) and get the bugger back on the road ASAP. I have the 110 mile International West Kent Run booked for it in August so I'll get a move on.

Thanks for the kick up the arse, John. :D

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Postby Old Fogey » Tue May 26, 2015 7:03 am

I'll add 'Arse Kicking' to the list of services on the website! :D :D :D
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Re: US frame on UK bike

Postby Maz » Mon Jul 06, 2015 5:11 am

Hi all,

Here's a further update;
I decided to go ahead and just swap the frames over. I had the US frame powder-coated, to freshen it up a bit and, whilst the engine was out, I thought I may as well re-paint that too. It's all going back together ok, so I have attached a few photos. Oh yeah, as you will see, I replaced the Timing Belt Tensioners with the modified Hyundai ones whilst I was in there! £13 each.......Bargain!
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Re: US frame on UK bike

Postby Fred Camper » Mon Jul 06, 2015 11:00 am

Nice to know all about your wiring and routing now.

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Re: US frame on UK bike

Postby Maz » Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:23 am

Final update on the subject......My GL1000 rides again! Been waiting 9 weeks for the DVLA to return my reg document though, so can't ride it yet!
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Re: US frame on UK bike

Postby Fred Camper » Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:55 am

You might consider a live appearance at DVLA as the summer is becoming short. She looks great. Are you happy with the powder coated frame and those tensioners. Looking forward to your first ride report.

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Re: US frame on UK bike

Postby Maz » Wed Jul 29, 2015 8:19 am

Thanks Fred.

Powder coat was spot on, so I had a few more bits done too....air filter housing, Radiator shroud, various brackets.
I'd love to pay DVLA a visit but they are about 200 miles from me!

The belt tensioners are super quiet. I managed a 10 mile round trip to the MOT testing station yesterday, only to be told that they can't test it with the new frame number until DVLA have updated their records and returned my document, which is totally different to what I was told when I phoned them before making the journey!
Unfortunately, I was booked in to use the 'Wing on Saturday for a 110 mile run with 350 other classic bikes. Looks like I'll be using my CB750 instead.

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Re: US frame on UK bike

Postby Old Fogey » Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:01 am

You've done a great job on that! Congrats on getting it running.

Maybe a bit naughty, but you really think that the Plod will pick out your bike out of 350 to give you hassle? Not a chance!
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Re: US frame on UK bike

Postby Maz » Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:32 am

Thanks, John.

You're right that they won't bother me on the actual event, but I have a 25 mile ride to get there on either the A2 or A20...Both roads heavily ANPR'd and patrolled.
I'll bide my time and wait til I can actually enjoy the 'magic carpet' ride without constantly looking over my shoulder.


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Re: US frame on UK bike

Postby Maz » Wed Sep 09, 2015 9:52 am

WOOHOO!! :D
After 14 weeks of sending emails, making phone calls and waiting, the DVLA have finally sent me a new registration document showing the change of frame number!
And, as a bonus, they let me keep the original registration number too.
Now for the MOT and Tax. Shame the Summer's all but over!

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Re: US frame on UK bike

Postby thrasherg » Wed Sep 09, 2015 10:18 am

Congratulations on getting it all done and being legal.. Hope you can still get a few rides in before the weather goes to pot.. :lol:

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Re: US frame on UK bike

Postby Maz » Wed Oct 07, 2015 2:10 am

Hi Gary. After a brief recovery from an operation, I finally got a chance to take the bike for it's first spin since changing the frame, etc. Everything was fine until I filled up with fuel and, pulling away from the pump, the clutch cable snapped!! Typical!
I got trailered back home and ordered the cable which I fitted last week. Had a decent bit of weather at the weekend and managed to meet up with some friends for a 150 mile round trip to the coast. She runs great, apart from a bit of a flat spot off-idle, but I am planning on fitting Randakks carb kits and carrying out a thorough ultrasonic clean on the carbs over winter anyway, mainly to ethanol-proof them. Had a great run and came home with a very big smile on my face.
Thanks to all of you for your support/comments.

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Re: US frame on UK bike

Postby Old Fogey » Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:33 pm

Old Fogey wrote:I'll add 'Arse Kicking' to the list of services on the website! :D :D :D


Some time back, Maz suggested that I should add that to the WinGovations site. So, as requested :lol: :

http://www.wingovations.com/arse-kicking/4590846275

(and no, it's not published on the site)


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