GL1000 1979: Starter R/R Problems


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GL1000 1979: Starter R/R Problems

Postby stubbie45 » Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:18 am



Just picked up a 1979 Goldwing GL1000 Interstate having a bit over 25,000 miles actual on the cycle. However the previous owner had removed the starter from the cycle and for some reason put the bike on the centre stand. From all the information read from the different posts this is a "No-NO!" His comment, when I purchased the bike, was that the starter would not engage with the starter gear. DUH! My question, which probably has been posted previously, is there a procedure by which the gear/chain can be realigned without having to physically remove the engine from the bike. I do have the ability to R/R the engine from the cycle and the necessary tools but really do not want to do this is there is a proper means to realigh the gear/chain for reinsertion of the starter without the engine R/R. Thanks to you and other members of this forum for any/all information regarding this shafu!
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Re: GL1000 1979: Starter R/R Problems

Postby virgilmobile » Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:50 am

I use this procedure for best results,but first.....The sprocket and starter have a slight taper on the shaft ends.This allows for somewhat of a self centering effect.Not much,but a little.

Dry fit everything first,put the sprocket on the starter.It should slide on smooth.
Use a magnet and screwdriver to set the sprocket on the chain.Make sure it fits and centers in the casting.
Set the bike on the side stand.This allows the sprocket to hang about in the center of the hole.
Remove the O ring from the starter and clean the housing.
Dry fit the starter on the engine.It should just wiggle on.If is stops short,the sprocket is not matching the splines on the starter shaft.Don't try to force it on.No hammering allowed.
Remove the starter and turn the sprocket 1/2 tooth,just a little,Retry to fit the starter.
This is the hard part and may take a bit of tries and movement to set it.

Once the starter lines up with the splines and goes on with little effort,Then put on the O ring,lube it up and slip the starter back on.

Where problems occur is trying to bully it on.These parts are machined for a tight fit and the sprocket spline misalignment is usually the stopping point.Thus the wiggling and turning the sprocket on the chain.

A starter should slide on and off with only the drag of the O ring.

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Re: GL1000 1979: Starter R/R Problems

Postby stubbie45 » Tue Nov 08, 2011 1:58 pm

Thank You! Have an engine on bench with starter still on it. Did a dry run on that one, recenter the gear, and slipped starter into the opening on the bike. Not at all like the information found in the Honda of America Motorcycle Manual for these unique machines. Many thank for the response!

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Re: GL1000 1979: Starter R/R Problems

Postby virgilmobile » Tue Nov 08, 2011 2:55 pm

Be aware of one thing.The starter is direct drive,the clutch is in the engine.A spinning motor and no crank can be gummed up parts in the clutch.In that case,a good dose of Sea Foam or MMO will usually clear it up.

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Re: GL1000 1979: Starter R/R Problems

Postby stubbie45 » Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:10 pm

That is the next step, have a 76 and the 79 that we are going to Sea Foam the lubrication oil and the gas tanks before trying to power them up fully. Spending a bit of time as the two-wheel season comes to an end here in the chilly north. Frustrated me that the 76, having only 25k on it, was not stored in proper facilities, instead of being left outside under a plastic cover. Of course maybe that is why I got it for a reasonable price! Have good starters and clean oil in both of these bikes and want to add the other materials and spin the engines a bit before settling down to the cosmetic cleanups.
Found an original Honda of America Service and Motor Manual ($20) on Craigs List. Manual is a lot of good information but having fellow riders who own, maintain, and ride these classics sharing their proven maintenance tips is a pleasure! Easy & Safe Riding!
Many thanks again. Expect to be riding both of these come late march or early April 2012!

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Re: GL1000 1979: Starter R/R Problems

Postby virgilmobile » Tue Nov 08, 2011 4:25 pm

Do the bikes have points or have they been upgraded to electronic ignition?
There are some tricks to the point system we all agree on.It makes a difference,as much as doing the carbs right.
I'll tell ya,when I got my 78 just right,it scared the bejeezers out of me the first time I rapped the throttle wide open in first. :D

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Re: GL1000 1979: Starter R/R Problems

Postby stubbie45 » Tue Nov 08, 2011 4:51 pm

Looks like the 76 has the points and condenser system and the 79 has been upgraded to a cd type ignition. Was riding a VTX 1300 R this summer and have a respect to these machines. Enjoy getting on the open road and cruising but live in a relatively congested area.
Anxious to hear these GL 1000's roar back to life but want to make sure what condition the timing belts, etc are in before adding fire. Know that a bit of patience and tedious adjustments will make me proud of the efforts. Already have had offers of triple what I paid for the 79. However I know the quality of these machines and having an "Antique" to ride in my late 60's is going to be GREAT! Should the 76 still have the p/c setup I may consider getting the electronic conversion for it also. I remember upgrading a few older bikes and a whole lot of cars back in the early 60's to cd ignitions and the preformance differences we realized, not to mention the lack of maintenance the points needed since there was a whole lot less current going through them. Lived near an Air Force Base and many of the airmen would bring their machines out to my family's farm to work on them since we had too relatively large barns. Ridden Nortons, BSA, Indians, Triumphs, BMW, and a few small rice burners. Last Kaw I owned had over 80k on it four years after I bought it new, mostly all back and forth to work! I enjoy the ride and still enjoy the greasy part of these machines also.
Waiting for these two to stand up and bark like the "Big Dogs" they are!




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