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fuse problems

Postby lostnfound » Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:46 pm



My gold wing keeps blowing fuse on side of selenoid. And I can't get any power to key switch



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Re: fuse problems

Postby virgilmobile » Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:32 pm

It is a 30 amp fuse....and the bike should only draws about 10 amp with the key on.
Will it blow the fuse when you on the key or when it's running or just setting there.?
When it happens will lead us to the probable fail point.

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Re: fuse problems

Postby lostnfound » Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:23 pm

I had to change the hot battery cable to the selenoid and after that now I can't get it to quit popping that fuse. It don't matter if key is on or off. And the blue wire coming out of the four wire plug feels war.

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Re: fuse problems

Postby seabee_ » Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:31 am

Did you check the neg/ground cable also? Check where it's attached to the frame. If it's dirty or corroded that can cause problems.
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Re: fuse problems

Postby lostnfound » Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:38 am

I have checked the ground cable. It looks good of all started after the battery got down after setting. So I charge the battery and realised the hot cable was bad so I changed it and then when I got new one on not power. and that is when it all started.

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Re: fuse problems

Postby virgilmobile » Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:13 am

I'll work up the schematic and location of things to test ASAP.In the mean time....unplug the regulator.Its just about the only thing I can think of that is always tied to the 30 amp fuse and can handle that much current on the wiring.
This is hoping that there is no add on unfused wiring added on.

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Re: fuse problems

Postby virgilmobile » Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:22 am

here's 2 pix.And by the way,none of them have a blue wire attached to the starter relay.
Can you post a few pictures of the relay and it's connected wiring?

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Re: fuse problems

Postby lostnfound » Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:39 pm

OK I have pics nut don't know how to attach them here

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Re: fuse problems

Postby virgilmobile » Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:50 pm

Move your pix to a place you can find them.***If needed***,convert then to jpg format.You may also need to reduce the file size to below 1 mb.I do this in MS Paint under image stretch/skew(usually 25%) and then save as...select jpg
At the bottom of your post is a tab that says "upload attachment" click and navigate from there.

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Re: fuse problems

Postby lostnfound » Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:09 pm

Ok I have pit pics up. As u look at the plug it is the wite on bottom right corner of ugly that gets warm when fuse blows. It is blue then turns to green with red stripe

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Re: fuse problems

Postby lostnfound » Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:23 pm

It is the bottom right corner wire. Blue then turns to green with red stripe that gets warm when fuse blows
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Re: fuse problems

Postby lostnfound » Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:29 pm

Another pic. This shows blown fuse
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Re: fuse problems

Postby lostnfound » Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:32 pm

With the plug unplugged it don't blow the fuse. But. With it in plugged there is no power
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Re: fuse problems

Postby virgilmobile » Fri Mar 30, 2012 8:14 am

Thats just wrong...None of the colors match what should be plugged into the starter solenoid.
The 4 conductor plug on the solenoid should have 2 large red wires,one with a white stripe.A green and a yellow with a red stripe.The last 2 operate the coil.
The color wires that you have there more closley match the colors that go to the ignition module.
It also is a 4 wire plug to the left of the battery and it should be..blue,white/blue,yellow/blue and white.
This plug is suspose to go to the pulse coils on the back of the engine.
It looks like the original red wiring was chopped off the plug and stuck under the battery post and you have the ignition module wiring plugged into the solenoid.
Look at the 2 pictures to get the wiring right and be prepaired that the miswiring may have destroyed the ignition modules.I've got a couple extra.If you need help to sort it out,post the questions and pictures,were very farmiliar with wiring cures.

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Re: fuse problems

Postby lostnfound » Fri Mar 30, 2012 6:53 pm

OK I have looked higher up in wires and have found the wire colors match what u say. Two reds.one yellow.and one green.

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Re: fuse problems

Postby lostnfound » Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:42 am

Can u post a pic of them? I there any way to test them? What do u want for the ones u have?

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Re: fuse problems

Postby virgilmobile » Sat Mar 31, 2012 11:18 am

I'm out in the field today,I'll be back home this evening.I'll post the wiring you need to do and test.if your ignition modules are damaged and mine are the same,I'll just sent them to you.you need to get that 4 wire plug off the starter solenoid and back on the plug for the pulse generator plug.Plug wires will match color for color.The big reds tie together and then to the fuse. The 2 smaller wires operate the solenoid coil.

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Re: fuse problems

Postby virgilmobile » Sat Mar 31, 2012 1:05 pm

Here's the pix of my 1100.Note that the 2 large red wires have been cut off the plug,wired into a 30 amp waterproof holder and tied into the battery post of starter
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Re: fuse problems

Postby lostnfound » Sun Apr 01, 2012 2:58 pm

OK thanks to ur pics I have power again. But now Wynn I hit the starter button it just. Licks in the selenoid. Any ideas

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Re: fuse problems

Postby virgilmobile » Mon Apr 02, 2012 6:28 am

Use a volt meter.measure the voltage on both posts of the starter solenoid when you push the start button.each post should have volts on it.one is steady,the other goes on and off with the click.if it dosen't,replace the solenoid.if it does,check the starter.

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Re: fuse problems

Postby lostnfound » Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:54 am

OK I have done the volt meter. And sometimes both post have volts and. Other times only battery Side does. I heard the starter kinda make a whining. Sqeal noise. I think I might need both starter and selenoid??? But I don't know. Also if I do need starter do u have one? And if I do need starter can u change it on bike?

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Re: fuse problems

Postby virgilmobile » Tue Apr 03, 2012 12:55 pm

Don't get ahead of yourself.solve one thing at a time.Obviously the solenoid is bad.if you can't take it apart and clean the posts inside where it works good,you'll have to replace it.just replacing the solenoid may also provide enough current to properly crank the engine.I'm assuming you didn't have a problem before this happend.you can also test the starter by jumping across the 2 posts with a screwdriver.be prepared for sparks.even at that if the starter spins but won't crank the bike it may be a sticking sprague clutch in the motor.Starters are pretty robust and usually just drag when hot or die completely.

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Re: fuse problems

Postby virgilmobile » Tue Apr 03, 2012 1:29 pm

And also starters usually can be rebuilt with little effort without removing the engine.As far as the starter clutch inside the motor,I also have had a ugly squeal noise from mine.Usually a good dose of Sea Foam and MMO will clear this up.

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Re: fuse problems

Postby lostnfound » Wed Apr 04, 2012 9:34 am

OK I tried to cross the selenoid and still won't crank the bike I still here ace time you squeal like the starter is bound up. I did have any problem with it starting befoe. It never drug or anything. What Is required to take the starter off? Can I just take the 2 bolts out of the starter and pull it off. Or do I have to take the cover off and the. Starter chain of or what?

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Re: fuse problems

Postby virgilmobile » Wed Apr 04, 2012 10:48 am

Yes the starter will come off the bike with removing the 2 bolts, the chain and sprocket stay inside.you have to tilt the bike on the side stand or use a magnet to hold the sprocket centered to put the starter back on.
If I may suggest,before you go to all that trouble,remove all 4 spark plugs,centerstand the bike and put it in 5th gear.give a good pull on the wheel to roll the engine over.Put it back in neutral and try to crank it with the starter again.This will sometimes get things moving in the starter mechanism again.pull the starter if all else fails.By your description,it really sounds like a slipping starter clutch in the motor.If you can get to engage,a good dose of MMO will help clean it up




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