What Type Of Fuel Do You Recommend?


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What Type Of Fuel Do You Recommend?

Postby patbrandon1 » Tue May 01, 2012 12:34 am



What type of fuel do you recommend for a GL1100i? Regular, mid-grade, or premium? I have been hearing conflicting ideas about this. I have run premium since I got the bike a month ago. I want to know what the seasoned veterans here use.



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Re: What Type Of Fuel Do You Recommend?

Postby virgilmobile » Tue May 01, 2012 7:17 am

I've used just regular in all my bikes..gl1000,1100,1200,1500..(car,truck,boat,argo 8X8,lawn mower,weed whacker,chain saw,stand by generator)
I tried premium in the bikes and I got a little more pep but not worth the extra cost.The higher octane is designed for higher compression engines to alleviate pre-detonation knock.
It would have helped on the trip(heavily loaded)across interstate 90 one summer.It had a bit of a rattle on the uphill pulls.
Generally,use the lowest octane that provides performance without the engine clatter.

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Re: What Type Of Fuel Do You Recommend?

Postby RBGERSON » Tue May 01, 2012 8:27 am

NON-ethanol if you can find it..there are website that track those gas stations.
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Re: What Type Of Fuel Do You Recommend?

Postby dingdong » Tue May 01, 2012 8:49 am

Your bike is designed to run on low octane fuel. If it is tuned properly it will. On both of mine I don't seem to notice any difference with ethanol except a little less MPG.
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Re: What Type Of Fuel Do You Recommend?

Postby virgilmobile » Tue May 01, 2012 9:07 am

Correct about the ethanol gas.I don't use it in a seldom used engine but the bike and car don't buck too much at it.Let it set in a carb for 3 months and you'll be asking for trouble.

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Re: What Type Of Fuel Do You Recommend?

Postby scotterichmond » Tue May 01, 2012 9:54 am

here is some food for thought. premium is used very little by most , so it goes to reason that the fuel in the ground tanks could be quite "old". the less expensive stuff is always the freshest. Oh , and I never fill up when the delivery truck is there.

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Re: What Type Of Fuel Do You Recommend?

Postby SteveB123 » Tue May 01, 2012 11:36 am

scotterichmond wrote:here is some food for thought. premium is used very little by most , so it goes to reason that the fuel in the ground tanks could be quite "old". the less expensive stuff is always the freshest. Oh , and I never fill up when the delivery truck is there.


Premium tanks are smaller, by quite a bit. Turnover is about the same.
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Re: What Type Of Fuel Do You Recommend?

Postby dnehasert » Tue May 01, 2012 1:29 pm

The operators manual recommends 87 Octane.

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Re: What Type Of Fuel Do You Recommend?

Postby TGStorm » Fri May 04, 2012 2:19 pm

I use to use the high grade stuff all the time (back from the days I rode sports bikes),, but found my Wing ran better and also got better mileage when I went to 87 octane ..... a friend of mine also told me he bought a container of "lead",, and about ever 3rd fill up he adds like a cap full and his performance really went up... I have not done this yet but may try it too,, will let ya know... ride safe.

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Re: What Type Of Fuel Do You Recommend?

Postby WingAdmin » Fri May 04, 2012 2:24 pm

TGStorm wrote:I use to use the high grade stuff all the time (back from the days I rode sports bikes),, but found my Wing ran better and also got better mileage when I went to 87 octane ..... a friend of mine also told me he bought a container of "lead",, and about ever 3rd fill up he adds like a cap full and his performance really went up... I have not done this yet but may try it too,, will let ya know... ride safe.


Adding "lead" is the same as putting fuel in with a higher octane rating than required - they both have no effect on an engine with preset timing that is designed for regular fuel (i.e. our bikes). "lead" and "octane" are both methods of preventing detonation/preignition at higher cylinder pressures. If 87 octane works fine in your bike, than putting 91 in it does nothing except drain your wallet faster.

Actually, 91 has a little bit less energy in it than 87, so you actually get better mileage from 87.

Modern engines have computers in them that can adjust the spark timing based on various factors derived from multiple sensors (knock sensors, O2 sensors, etc). Put 87 octane fuel in a car designed for 94, and the engine computer will retard the spark to prevent detonation. It will produce less power, but it won't harm it.

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Re: What Type Of Fuel Do You Recommend?

Postby chiritc » Fri May 04, 2012 2:36 pm

In Costa Rica we have 2 flavors.

Plus 91
Super 95

So my Dad and I put Plus 91 to the VT700C & GL1100A, no complaints.

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Re: What Type Of Fuel Do You Recommend?

Postby patbrandon1 » Fri May 04, 2012 3:41 pm

Thank you all for your input. I am going to continue to use 87. I filled up last time with the 87 just to see if there was any performance difference. During that tank full, I had a coil go bad, and was troubleshooting that problem, so I could not get an actually millage reading due to it not running right. Now that I have installed a new (used) coil, and it is running great, I am going to fill up after the rain and get a millage reading. My former millage before the coil change and using 93 octane, was right around 33.7 MPG. I believe it will be a little better, because I think the coil was acting up occasionally, and wasn't firing all the time. Sooo, I really won't be able to tell if it is the 87 octane, or the changed coil, or the Seafoam, that is causing a little better millage. But I will keep you all posted. Thanks again for your time and input. Ride safe. I am going to start a new thread asking what kind of oil people use, and what kind of coolant.

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Re: What Type Of Fuel Do You Recommend?

Postby Johnyy Smoke » Fri May 04, 2012 8:02 pm

Isnt it odd how so many common questions come up during slow times?From "new" posters?Regards,Johnyy

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Re: What Type Of Fuel Do You Recommend?

Postby seabee_ » Fri May 04, 2012 11:18 pm

As wingadmin stated, lead was first used as an anti-knock additive, and also to lubricate exhaust valves and seats. After the elimination of lead, manufacurers made valve seats harder to decrease the wear and make them last longer. Stick with the 87 octane unless you want to spend the extra money. There is no real advantage to running the higher grade unless you have a high compression motor.
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Re: What Type Of Fuel Do You Recommend?

Postby dwight007fchr » Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:43 pm

I have been reading about the latest nasty development.....that Ethanol 15 is on its way to more states. While reading, I learned about the MAJOR damage that ethanol fuel is causing fuel lines, tanks, carbs, etc. We also lose horse power, and get less gas mileage with this crappy ethanol.

Also, non ethanol will store MUCH longer and not seperate.

So, I have found a non-ethanol supplier 30 miles away, and plan to stock up a good amount which I will burn in my 83 Interstate. It is costing about .30 more per gallon here in Va....but I now think it is well worth it.

I also have been having major damage to weedeaters and chain saws by using ethanol....its time to go cold turkey on this crappy ethanol.

This leads me to another question......were these early 80 Wings designed for Regular LEADED gas? If so, shouldnt I be adding some lead additive to the gas?

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Re: What Type Of Fuel Do You Recommend?

Postby SteveB123 » Tue Jan 08, 2013 8:06 pm

dwight007fchr wrote:This leads me to another question......were these early 80 Wings designed for Regular LEADED gas?


Nope.
Lead was primarily added to lubricate valve seats in soft (ish) cast iron heads. Since we don't HAVE cast iron heads, our valve seats are pressed in....and very hard.

Leaded gas began disappearing in the early 70's.
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Re: What Type Of Fuel Do You Recommend?

Postby dwight007fchr » Tue Jan 08, 2013 8:10 pm

Steve.....thanks for that info....good to know we dont have to worry about adding lead substitutes.

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Re: What Type Of Fuel Do You Recommend?

Postby thrasherg » Tue Jan 08, 2013 8:16 pm

dwight007fchr wrote:I have been reading about the latest nasty development.....that Ethanol 15 is on its way to more states. While reading, I learned about the MAJOR damage that ethanol fuel is causing fuel lines, tanks, carbs, etc. We also lose horse power, and get less gas mileage with this crappy ethanol.

Also, non ethanol will store MUCH longer and not seperate.

So, I have found a non-ethanol supplier 30 miles away, and plan to stock up a good amount which I will burn in my 83 Interstate. It is costing about .30 more per gallon here in Va....but I now think it is well worth it.

I also have been having major damage to weedeaters and chain saws by using ethanol....its time to go cold turkey on this crappy ethanol.

This leads me to another question......were these early 80 Wings designed for Regular LEADED gas? If so, shouldn't I be adding some lead additive to the gas?


Dwight, you should look at how to remove Ethanol from gas (It's really easy to do) and allows you to keep easy access to ethanol free gas for weedeaters, lawnmowers, etc

It's not so practical for when you are riding a road bike and need to fill up, but for small engines that don't get much use and are stored at home, it's really easy. Just add 2 cups of water to 5 gallons of gas, shake it all up so the water mixes with the gas and Ethanol, then let is stand for a while. The ethanol binds with the water (Ethanol does not easily bind with gas) and the water and gas separate, leaving the water/ethanol mix at the bottom of the gas tank, with the pure gas sitting on top of the water. I actually turn my gas tank upside down with the exit spout as the lowest point of the tank, let it sit like that for 30 minutes or more, then I open the exit cap (I put a small tap on so I can easily drain the 3 cups of fluid) and drain out 3 cups of fluid, this should be the 2 cups of water that you added (with the ethanol dissolved in it) and a little bit of gas. I then turn the gas tank up the correct way round and use the now ethanol free gas to fuel my lawnmowers, weedeaters and other toys!! Obviously you can't do this every time you stop at a gas station to fill your wing, but for household gas engines, it's great. Remember to use premium gas for this, because when you remove the ethanol, you do lower the rating of the gas. It is this easy to remove the Ethanol.

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Re: What Type Of Fuel Do You Recommend?

Postby dwight007fchr » Tue Jan 08, 2013 8:23 pm

Gary....Wow! Thats a neat trick.....I will definatly store that one upstairs and try sometime. I never would have thought that mixing water with gas would ever be productive, but you taught me otherwise. Excellent info.!

However, in my case I think I will be saving money by buying the ethanol-free gas instead of purifying the Hight Test.....plus I am losing a bit of fuel in the process. But some great advice for when we cant find non-eth.

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Re: What Type Of Fuel Do You Recommend?

Postby thrasherg » Tue Jan 08, 2013 8:28 pm

Agreed, if you can easily get Ethanol free gas, then do so, it's definitely safer and less hassle. I don't have any ethanol free gas stations within a 100 miles of where I live, so this is the only way to do it, but as you state, when it becomes more and more difficult to get Ethanol free gas, this technique will always work!!

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Re: What Type Of Fuel Do You Recommend?

Postby WingAdmin » Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:01 pm

Yup, I wrote about that back in December: How to make your own ethanol-free gasoline

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Re: What Type Of Fuel Do You Recommend?

Postby thrasherg » Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:34 pm

WingAdmin wrote:Yup, I wrote about that back in December: How to make your own ethanol-free gasoline


What an excellent write up and with pictures, that is 1000x better than what I described, and is exactly the setup that I have.

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Re: What Type Of Fuel Do You Recommend?

Postby dwight007fchr » Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:29 am

WingAdmin wrote:Yup, I wrote about that back in December: How to make your own ethanol-free gasoline


Thanks....Great article....I just read it, and passed it to some other friends. We all are becoming motorcycle chemists in this group.....mad scientists, I tell you! Got my Flux Capacitor rigged up beside my twin coils, and with those 55 amps from LittleBeaver, I am about to soar past his flashing disco ball, and back to tha future, where surely America will no longer have a fascist dictator in power......hopefully.

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Re: What Type Of Fuel Do You Recommend?

Postby fr1tz » Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:26 pm

I sure hope everyone takes these last few posts to heart because when we are forced to use E-15 (NOT E85) it will be disastrous for those with small engines (there have been several test markets across the country (USING E-15) that turned out with negitive results) just be aware of whats happening, you will draw your own conclusions when it appears in your market - fr1tz

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Re: What Type Of Fuel Do You Recommend?

Postby SteveB123 » Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:56 am

fr1tz wrote:I sure hope everyone takes these last few posts to heart because when we are forced to use E-15 (NOT E85) it will be disastrous for those with small engines (there have been several test markets across the country (USING E-15) that turned out with negitive results) just be aware of whats happening, you will draw your own conclusions when it appears in your market - fr1tz

PS no one has defined the definition of small engines



I searched for a bit, but couldn't locate any test market studies. Could you provide a link?
BTW, it already is on the market in some midwest locations.


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