Dodge Neon Coil Compatability


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Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Postby rowejimf » Wed May 02, 2012 7:58 pm



I've seen some posts at Goldwingfacts.com about using a coil from a 1995 Dodge Neon as a replacement
for the OEM coils. It looks very tempting as they cost only $30 on ebay. I'm interested in how the folks on this
forum feel about it.

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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Postby RoadRogue » Wed May 02, 2012 8:04 pm

I did it , was easy to do , if you need new coils why not upgrade for cheap. My coils came from a 2002 Neon in the wrecking yard for $20 8-)
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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Postby littlebeaver » Wed May 02, 2012 11:21 pm

Todd will you please start a post about the coils....Please... :D I may want to add them too..

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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Postby RoadRogue » Wed May 02, 2012 11:42 pm

Thats it , now I have you hooked first the alternator conversion and now the coils. I will start a new thread on this conversion tomorrow. 8-)
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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Postby littlebeaver » Thu May 03, 2012 12:44 am

that's great Toad I mean Todd.. :lol: :lol: Your alright man,, just saying...

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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Postby rowejimf » Thu May 03, 2012 1:46 pm

Here's the link:

http://www.goldwingfacts.com/forums/vie ... +neon+coil

I'm hoping this would work on a '77 GL1000.

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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Postby RoadRogue » Thu May 03, 2012 7:24 pm

The abovelink pretty much says it all, this is where I got the idea and info on how to do it.
Beave , before you go out and buy parts and start ripping your bike apart again, wait for my package to arrive . It has a complete Dodge Neon coil plug and play conversion ready to install in it. Should take you less than an hour to install and test. Going out in the mail tomorrow. 8-)
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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Postby littlebeaver » Thu May 03, 2012 7:35 pm

Hey Todd, thanks man, I love my conversion, that pulley you refered me to worked like a charm, and I figured out a great way to move the mounting bolt over away from the pulley so i can remove the belt cover and still have the effectivness of the belt cover bolt 1/2 from the pulley..Hee ha... :D Did your bike run better with these coils or no..? My bike seems to be riding pretty gosh darn good right now...

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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Postby RoadRogue » Thu May 03, 2012 9:13 pm

I cant say if my bike ran any better because I bought the 1500 before I even got the 1100 off the table lift. :roll: I have faith in the info that Dave0430 and the others have put together, My bike runs while up on the table lift. I just havent brought it down and put it on the road yet. So I will let you be the judge of if it is a performance increase or not. I would be willing to bet a dinner that you will be happy with this upgrade. 8-)
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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Postby washandy98664 » Wed Oct 09, 2013 11:14 pm

I looked at the link that was listed, it is really blurry to see and I don't quite understand the wording on the wiring. Seems a bit confusing to me , can anyone please dummy this down for us simple minded people??

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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Postby littlebeaver » Thu Oct 10, 2013 12:18 am

washandy98664 wrote:I looked at the link that was listed, it is really blurry to see and I don't quite understand the wording on the wiring. Seems a bit confusing to me , can anyone please dummy this down for us simple minded people??

Todd made a coil set up with a really nice bracket that fastened right up with zero issues...He sent it to me and I have used it on my bike since..the bike runs just fine with it...Perhaps I can go out tomorrow and dismantle stuff to show you with photo's just how Todd made the brackets and the wiring....Ok... Todd's bracket is really good.. My bike fires up very nicely and runs well too...My camera does well too, I won't post a bad photo if I can help it.. :lol:

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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Postby littlebeaver » Thu Oct 10, 2013 1:32 pm

Ok as I promised you washandy 98664 I said I'd get you some photographs todays of the wiring and the brackets that Todd made, he did a fine job, nice and solid way to fasten it.. I say make yourself a bracket anyway you see fit.. You want to know about the wiring right? Well never fear as beaver is here ha ha...I got what everyone needs, I wish I had this before..But Todd took care of me.. So I'm posting everything I can on the wiring and bracket.. I didn't touch the old plug, just plugged in what Todd sent..Perfect...
coils
coils
plug in
plug in
OEM plug in
OEM plug in
Bottom of coils and bracket, 4 bolts into bracket
Bottom of coils and bracket, 4 bolts into bracket
side view
side view
The colors as it comes out of the coils to give you an idea..
The colors as it comes out of the coils to give you an idea..
Ok, Todd spliced these wires under the shrinkrap, I opened it to show you what is what, Blue stays the same Blue goes with blue, yellow goes to black and the black with yellow stripe goes to green from the coil plug that's in the middle, it's covered with black rap but its green, refer to other photos of close ups.. I hope this helps you guys out.. I am not sure if this plug Todd used is off a Goldwing but it might be in any case it's pretty easy from these photo's to figure out..My original coils set is in MS. so I can't tell you what the male colors are or if they are the same colors as shown.. Thanks again Dave0430 for the original idea,  Todd got this from him I think....But Dave's the man...
Ok, Todd spliced these wires under the shrinkrap, I opened it to show you what is what, Blue stays the same Blue goes with blue, yellow goes to black and the black with yellow stripe goes to green from the coil plug that's in the middle, it's covered with black rap but its green, refer to other photos of close ups.. I hope this helps you guys out.. I am not sure if this plug Todd used is off a Goldwing but it might be in any case it's pretty easy from these photo's to figure out..My original coils set is in MS. so I can't tell you what the male colors are or if they are the same colors as shown.. Thanks again Dave0430 for the original idea, Todd got this from him I think....But Dave's the man...
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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Postby RoadRogue » Thu Oct 10, 2013 2:18 pm

The wiring was very simple. There is 3 wires for the stock coils and 3 wires for the Neon coils, it was just a matter of matching up which was ground and which one supplied power to which side of the coil pack. I used the stock plug in from the old bike coils and soldered it to the wiring harness from the Neon coils.
The mounting bracket was made from a a piece of 4inch wide X 1/8 thick channel I had laying in my scrap steel pile. The large hole on the bottom was drilled to keep it light and to let air cool the coils. It seemed like a good idea 8-)
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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Postby littlebeaver » Thu Oct 10, 2013 2:23 pm

RoadRogue wrote:The wiring was very simple. There is 3 wires for the stock coils and 3 wires for the Neon coils, it was just a matter of matching up which was ground and which one supplied power to which side of the coil pack. I used the stock plug in from the old bike coils and soldered it to the wiring harness from the Neon coils.
The mounting bracket was made from a a piece of 4inch wide X 1/8 thick channel I had laying in my scrap steel pile. The large hole on the bottom was drilled to keep it light and to let air cool the coils. It seemed like a good idea 8-)

So how did I do my man..ha ha :lol: the center of the holes to the bolts is approx. 1 3/4" from the base of the bracket, 4 5/8" center hole to center hole if that helps someone..
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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Postby RoadRogue » Thu Oct 10, 2013 2:24 pm

By the way Beave, you have now voided the warrenty on those coils by undoing the tape on the wires 8-)
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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Postby littlebeaver » Thu Oct 10, 2013 2:27 pm

RoadRogue wrote:By the way Beave, you have now voided the warrenty on those coils by undoing the tape on the wires 8-)

Well ok but how was I supposed to know what went where??? I had to open it for these guys to see..it's the best way...Visual creatures we are.. :lol:

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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Postby littlebeaver » Thu Oct 10, 2013 2:30 pm

RoadRogue wrote:By the way Beave, you have now voided the warrenty on those coils by undoing the tape on the wires 8-)

I'm gonna tell wingman on you.. :lol: :lol: It was a 50 year warranty.. :shock: But really this ws one thing that kept me from doing this mod. I didn't understand the wiring either, I got it now..thanks to you Todd... :D

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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Postby RoadRogue » Thu Oct 10, 2013 2:44 pm

Ok you are forgiven ,THIS time. I thought that I posted how I made this , guess I got side tracked again. Sorry about that folks.
This is a very easy Mod to do to your bike and is best to install when you are changing your airfilter as you are right there in the neighborhood . The whole project took me less than 2 hrs to make and install, it took longer for the paint to dry.
If you get a coil from the wrecking yard ,you will find it bolted right on top of the engine in plain sight, just unbolt it, cut a chunk of the wiring harness so you have the plastic plug that goes into the coil . You will have to use different spark plug wires than the stock ones on your bike, or install different ends on them at the coil end as the coil towers have a push on type rather than the screw in type found on your stock bike coils. Is that clear as mud? 8-)
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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Postby littlebeaver » Thu Oct 10, 2013 6:18 pm

RoadRogue wrote:Ok you are forgiven ,THIS time. I thought that I posted how I made this , guess I got side tracked again. Sorry about that folks.
This is a very easy Mod to do to your bike and is best to install when you are changing your airfilter as you are right there in the neighborhood . The whole project took me less than 2 hrs to make and install, it took longer for the paint to dry.
If you get a coil from the wrecking yard ,you will find it bolted right on top of the engine in plain sight, just unbolt it, cut a chunk of the wiring harness so you have the plastic plug that goes into the coil . You will have to use different spark plug wires than the stock ones on your bike, or install different ends on them at the coil end as the coil towers have a push on type rather than the screw in type found on your stock bike coils. Is that clear as mud? 8-)

Todd, I am positive that if you still had this coil set with you, you would have posted this but being that you sent it to me, that's kinda hard to do,,,,so that's why I posted it.. Believe me when I said this, I didn't want to peel back the wirings cover, I sat there and debated on doing so...I didn't want to give false information so I opened it up... :shock: Thanks again Todd. :D

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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Postby washandy98664 » Thu Oct 10, 2013 9:53 pm

Thannks for the info!!!!!
That is a great breakdown on this install!!!
Can't say thanks enough times!!!!

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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Postby penntoy123 » Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:00 am

I just want to say thanks a lot! I love to tinker with things and this seems like a good project to play with. I do have questions though, Would the coil relay mod be to much with the coil swap? I was thinking doing the relay mod and then replace the coils with a Neon coil. The main reason I want to do these mods is when I pull my plugs they are always black and sooty and I am looking for a hotter spark and I am thinking either one or both may fix the problem. If it doesn't then it's back to the carbs.
Also the pictures marking the coil for each cylinder does not match the actual firing order/cylinder designation for a dodge neon. Is the coil pack internally wired so it will work left/right bank? Or will it matter? Thanks again for giving me ideas to keep busy.

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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Postby littlebeaver » Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:24 am

Relay Mod. ?? I have not done this relay mod. on my cycle...What are the benefits of this mod.? It seems that Wilcoy may have mentioned it a while back but I never looked into it.... I am sure Todd numbered the wires so I would hook it up properly, he figured things out I just plugged the sucker in... :D I just took some photo's as to what went where and it seems to work perfectly on the bike....As for your spark plugs getting black like that, it might just be running rich and the idle screws may need adjusting....I'm sure Todd can explain the wiring better than I can....If someone has done this relay mod. can you post a new post with photo's on the subject, I would love to learn more about this...Thanks :D :shock: :D

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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Postby penntoy123 » Sun Oct 13, 2013 11:29 am

I don't remember anything about the ballast. Was it removed, or do you keep it in place?

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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Postby RoadRogue » Sun Oct 13, 2013 4:39 pm

Ok here we go, there is no ballast needed for these coils .
As far as the fireing order is concerned, just like the stock bike coils there is a wasted spark with these . If you were to cut them apart you would see there is actually only 2 coils here in one case. These fire two sparks at a time while one cylinder is on its compression stroke the spark lights the fuel, at the same time the other spark is being let off on the other cylinder during its exhaust stroke and does nothing as there is no fuel to light. One coils provides spark to cylinders 1 and 2, while the other gives spark to numbers 3 and 4. Does that help?
As for the rely mod, I didnt really see any need to change a system that was working just fine for 30 years without any problems or weaknesses . Black sooty plugs is almost always a case of the carbs running too rich, sorry. 8-)
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Re: Dodge Neon Coil Compatability

Postby penntoy123 » Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:30 am

Thanks everyone for the good info. I thought about the carbs being rich. I am just not confident with adjusting those, I guess I will take it in to be done.
However, in the meantime I will still do the relay mod and change out the coil. So it's time to start collecting the required items. So by the time the weather gets to bad and my riding days are minimized, I will have it ready to strip down and start tinkering.




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