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Bill60
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Mechanic

Postby Bill60 » Fri May 18, 2012 10:23 am



Hi,

I have a starting issue with my 1981 GL1100 and I need to find a good mechanic in the Fayetteville, NC area. Does anyone know of one? I recently brought it to one shop and they seem to have an I don't care attitude. Several other shops told me it would be at least a month before they could look at it.

Thanks,

Bill



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Re: Mechanic

Postby goldminerusa » Fri May 18, 2012 10:37 am

Whats the issue?????

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Re: Mechanic

Postby Bill60 » Fri May 18, 2012 11:03 am

Started it up 3 weeks ago with no problem and all of a sudden it stalled about 10 minutes later. Tried to start it and wouldn't crank at all. Lights were strong. Called the shop that last worked on it and they said it was a bad battery. I did try telling them it wasn't the battery, but they are the experts. Changed the battery and it didn't help the problem. Seems to be a problem between the cellinode and starter.

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Re: Mechanic

Postby virgilmobile » Fri May 18, 2012 11:39 am

This could be a DIY job if you can turn a wrench and operate a test light.
No crank and a good battery can have only 2 problems.
Either the starter died or there's no electric going to it.

Are you interested in trying it yourself?
It can save you some serious cash...

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Re: Mechanic

Postby Bill60 » Fri May 18, 2012 11:54 am

Hi,

Can turn a wrench, but I don't have a test light. Don't mind getting dirty. What type of test light would I need? Not a true mechanic like my brother who owned his own business. He had me by passing the cellinode with jumper cables to the starter and seem to be focusing in on the starter as the issue. We were doing this over the phone since he dose not live close by.

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Re: Mechanic

Postby goldminerusa » Fri May 18, 2012 12:12 pm

Stalled while idling or riding? Is there gas in the tank? Did you turn the gas petcock on? Is the kill switch off? Sounds stupid , i know, but you`d be surprised.Does the solenoid click when you press the button? If not check the solenoid. How about the fuel filter, changed it lately? A battery can have a bad cell and still power the lights but doesn`t have the oomph to spin the starter. Check the battery ground at the frame, just follow the wire, clean the wire end and the block/frame and re-assemble. Check the connection at the starter, is it broken or damaged / clean and tighten the nut. Do that carefully, theres another thin nut under the washer that keeps the post tight to the starter case. If you just crank on the nut the whole thing will spin and can break the wire inside the case. Then you need a new starter too. Check the starter by disconnecting the cable from the soleniod and touching the + side of the battery, if it spins its not the starter. Can you reach the ignition switch connector? give it a wiggle while pressing the start button. i`ve read where wiggling the key will let it start, that tells you the switch is bad or needs cleaning. More than that i don`t know. hope this helps.

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Re: Mechanic

Postby virgilmobile » Fri May 18, 2012 12:21 pm

A test light is used to locate 12 volts.

There cheap,easy to use and handy for locating 12 volts.

Step one....Ground the test light to the battery negative terminal and probe the positive terminal...It will light it up.
Step two.Turn on the key and probe the big cable attached to the starter.
While holding it there,push the start button.
If it lights up but doesn't crank,the starter died.
If it doesn't light up,there is a electrical problem.

If it's electrical,listen by the battery for a 'click' every time you push the start button.It's the start solenoid.
If it clicks,probe one of the 2 big terminals.One is connected to the battery the other should light up the test light every time you hear it click.
Test this out and let us know what it does.From there we can advise on the next step.

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Re: Mechanic

Postby Bill60 » Fri May 18, 2012 12:29 pm

Bike was idling, full of gas, petcock open, and kill switch was off. Not stupid questions. Brand new battery. Soleniod just clicks when you hit the starter button. Connections all look clean and tight. Thank you for the informtation on the tester.

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Re: Mechanic

Postby littlebeaver » Fri May 18, 2012 12:53 pm

The main ground at the frame often needs cleaning under the cover and is many times overlooked..

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Re: Mechanic

Postby Bill60 » Fri May 18, 2012 4:00 pm

Bought the tester and checked it out.
Tester did light up when connected to negative terminal and put probe on positive terminal.
Turned key on and put probe on cable attached down by starter. Pushed starter button and probe did light up, but starter did not crank at all. Looks like it is the starter?

If it is the starter, any recommendations on where buy for a 1981 - GL1100 ?

Is it difficult to change?

Anything in particular to watch out for when changing?

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Re: Mechanic

Postby scotterichmond » Fri May 18, 2012 4:45 pm

Just one more thing to make sure of, run a seperate good ground wire from the neg. post of the battery to the case of the starter and try it again. this checks for a good ( or bad) ground connection.
jumper cables will work fine.

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Re: Mechanic

Postby Bill60 » Fri May 18, 2012 6:36 pm

Found on Ebay. Brand new - Starter & Relay Solenoid HONDA GL1100 GOLD WING 1084cc Engine 1980 1981 1982 for $105.

Sound like a good deal? Can buy just the starter from several others for $85 to $95.

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Re: Mechanic

Postby virgilmobile » Fri May 18, 2012 6:47 pm

As long as it's OEM and not from saber cycle or a Korean knockoff.And guaranteed.
If you plan on replacing it,now is a good time to remove yours and see if it can be fixed.There not as hard as you'd think.
Leave the cable on the starter and take it off the solenoid.Many have twisted the stud and ripped the wires inside without using a wrench under the cable.
There's plenty of how to's about it.

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Re: Mechanic

Postby Bill60 » Sat May 19, 2012 6:35 am

Good morning,

It is the starter. All tests point to it. Any particular starter brand better than others?
Looking to order the starter today.

I am very grateful to everyone who has helped me with this problem.

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Re: Mechanic

Postby RBGERSON » Sat May 19, 2012 8:58 am

First starters can be cleaned and rebuilt for about $30. There are several how to's for rebuilding starters.

Issues to watch; when removing the positive cable DON'T spin/move the stud..hold it with a second 10mm on the bottom nut..if you spin it it breaks an internal connection and the starter is toast.

Best test for starter is to jump from a known good battery..like your car's. If it spins..it's OK and your problem is either in the starter switch, solenoid or wiring in the circuit.

DBelectric has good prices and I have one of their starters working for three years so far.

http://www.dbelectrical.com/c-22-starters.aspx
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Re: Mechanic

Postby littlebeaver » Sat May 19, 2012 9:49 am

ha ha, good for you,,,it's a fun project removing the starter and taking it all apart, it's probably something simple like bad brushes...probably been toasted...Hey don't you go forget to undo the negitive post side of the cable before you start messing with metal wrenches or the sparks will fly.. :shock: :shock: don't ask me how I know that..See that's why me an electrical crap don't get along..

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Re: Mechanic

Postby virgilmobile » Sat May 19, 2012 10:03 am

Your absolutly right about unhooking the battery.
I often forget to state what's obvious to me.
This ain't my first rodeo and hoped to forget about that incident on my moms car.




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