1982 GL1100 SHIFTER GETS STUCK/LOCKED???


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1982 GL1100 SHIFTER GETS STUCK/LOCKED???

Postby fauslyfox110 » Fri May 18, 2012 11:36 pm



Hi there,

Got a 1982 gl1100 standard

Problem is when we run it, and stop it at red lights the shifter mechanism locks up and won't move up and down. We have to play with it for a little while until it loosens up again and we can switch gears. This doesn't happen all the time, it's random and usually occurs when the bike is stopped at a light or to get gas. Any ideas what might be the issue?

For reference this is what's been done:
Belts changed
valves adjusted
starter changed
oil changed



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Re: 1982 GL1100 SHIFTER GETS STUCK/LOCKED???

Postby Old Fogey » Sat May 19, 2012 5:45 am

If it won't move, how do you 'play' with it? Presumably there must be some movement? How does the shifting feel when it's moving?
Does it crunch into gear (more than the usual GL crunch)? Does it feel like the clutch is dragging when you come to a stop?
Are there any other strange noises from the box?
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Re: 1982 GL1100 SHIFTER GETS STUCK/LOCKED???

Postby fauslyfox110 » Sat May 19, 2012 11:59 am

Good point,

So the shifter doesn't get stuck, it just won't let us change gears. So we will be riding on 1st change to 2nd, and then we i need to stop to change back to 1st the shifter won't change, you have to play with it for a little or ride it on 2nd until it decides you can go back to 1st. The shifting is also a bit rough in general.

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Re: 1982 GL1100 SHIFTER GETS STUCK/LOCKED???

Postby Old Fogey » Sat May 19, 2012 1:05 pm

OK, lets pin it down even tighter.
Do you have full movement of the lever, both up and down, when the gears actually change?
When the gears stick, have you still got any movement in the lever or not?
It it only on downward changes or both?
Did it happen after you did the oil change or before?
Is it difficult to get into EITHER first or second from a standstill?
With the engine off, if you flick the lever in either direction, does it return to the centre position. This in any gear and also neutral?
Can you run through the gears easily with the engine off, even if you have to rock the bike or turn the wheel slightly (that would be normal)?
If you can think of any other relevant detail, let us know. The more info you can give the easier it is to attempt a diagnosis.

Before you do all this, try adjusting the clutch cable. At the cable adjuster on the back of the engine on the right side, loosen the locknut and adjust the cable until you have about 5/8" of slack at the lever end. Tighten the locknut and adjust the slack at the handlebar lever until you have about 1/8" play there.
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Re: 1982 GL1100 SHIFTER GETS STUCK/LOCKED???

Postby fauslyfox110 » Sat May 19, 2012 4:42 pm

Also there is a sound sometimes when the bike is idling at a stop, it will make a clanking sound, and when pulling out from a stop it sometimes makes a sound like iron is rubbing against iron.

1. have full motion of shifter lever
2. Not sure about the oil change, we didn't run it much before the change, we are changing the oil again to 15w40 as per recommendation from another gold-winger that it is slicker for the transmission.
3. It can be a bit tricky to get to neutral, shifter seems a bit loose
4. Its easy to get to first from a stanstill.
5. Shifting in general isn't as smooth and with the bike off its not easy changing gears, shifter is kind of loose and the changes aren't smooth, they are a bit rough.
6. I'll try and loosen the clutch adjustment as you recommended and return with results.

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Re: 1982 GL1100 SHIFTER GETS STUCK/LOCKED???

Postby WingAdmin » Sat May 19, 2012 7:25 pm

I would actually try to TIGHTEN the clutch cable, not loosen. If the clutch isn't fully disengaging, it can prevent the transmission from changing gears. Tightening up the cable will make the clutch fully disengage (if it isn't already). If you tighten the clutch cable and that fixes it, then you know that's what was going on.

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Re: 1982 GL1100 SHIFTER GETS STUCK/LOCKED???

Postby Old Fogey » Sun May 20, 2012 1:18 am

WingAdmin wrote:I would actually try to TIGHTEN the clutch cable, not loosen. If the clutch isn't fully disengaging, it can prevent the transmission from changing gears. Tightening up the cable will make the clutch fully disengage (if it isn't already). If you tighten the clutch cable and that fixes it, then you know that's what was going on.


That was what I intended!

If you're sure the shift lever is tight on its splines but feels sloppy, kind of like it's not connected properly, you are going to have to pull the front cover off and check all the shifter mechanism. The reason I asked about the lever returning to centre is that the big hairpin spring that does the centering can only be replaced by splitting the crankcases!



Gear lever centering spring, this is the main gear lever centering spring. The only way to change it if it breaks is to remove the shaft. See the other pics!So if you've got to split the cases for any reason change the spring as a matter of course. It's a no-brainer."



Selector claw and shaft; Why did they put the securing bolt for the selector shaft inside the crankcase?
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Re: 1982 GL1100 SHIFTER GETS STUCK/LOCKED???

Postby RBGERSON » Sun May 20, 2012 6:09 am

Issue with some GL's when the engine is running but the bike is stopped shifting becomes an issue. Might try releasing the clutch a bit so the bike jumps/creeps forward a bit..and then shift. Or turn the engine off and then shift if that solves your problem..remember to shift into 1ST or neutral as you approach a stop..while the bike is still rolling.

Do double check you clutch cable free play should not be more than 1/4"

Low oil can cause this to or to thin oil.
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Re: 1982 GL1100 SHIFTER GETS STUCK/LOCKED???

Postby fauslyfox110 » Mon May 21, 2012 12:02 am

Thanks for the advice guys! I'm going to change the oil and run it again see what happens; also going to change the final drive oil. If it continues, i'll split open the front cover.

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Re: 1982 GL1100 SHIFTER GETS STUCK/LOCKED???

Postby patbrandon1 » Mon May 21, 2012 12:22 am

RBGERSON wrote:..remember to shift into 1ST or neutral as you approach a stop..while the bike is still rolling.


VERY important. My 82 GL1100 is not stop shift friendly. The users manual does say to downshift into 1st gear when near 9 mph. Other bikes I have had, I could put into neutral and when ready to go, could click into first rather easily when it is time take off. Not my 82. It is clunky going from neutral to first at a stop. It is quit a common thing with these bikes. Keep us updated as to your progress, okay?

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Re: 1982 GL1100 SHIFTER GETS STUCK/LOCKED???

Postby seabee_ » Mon May 21, 2012 12:39 am

Try the Delo LE 15w40 oil. It has been known to help with the shifting. it has helped my bike find neutral much easier.


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