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82 GL1100I Blue smoke @ startup

Postby kaao » Sun May 27, 2012 11:59 am



Looking to pickup an Interstate, she blowing blue at startup & smelling rich, but seems to clear after warmed up. Shop guy said these tend to do that being on the side stand & considering 89k on the odo, I was reading it might be more like valve seals or carb adjustments. Fluids look clear, clean, runs smooth no chatter, overall a fine bike. $1800 out the door your thoughts appreciated.



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Re: 82 GL1100I Blue smoke @ startup

Postby virgilmobile » Sun May 27, 2012 12:30 pm

Every one of the 5 wings I've had and have do exactly that.Leave it on the side stand overnight,especially at a good lean and it will smoke out the exhaust.After done for the day of riding,I set mine on the center stand.
Some engine oil settles behind the left pistons rather than draining back into the case and gets burnt off.

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Re: 82 GL1100I Blue smoke @ startup

Postby kaao » Sun May 27, 2012 2:01 pm

Thanks Virg, good deal, feel better about the purchase. Always wanted a GW & now meant to be.

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Re: 82 GL1100I Blue smoke @ startup

Postby virgilmobile » Sun May 27, 2012 2:53 pm

If you really wanted to verify it.put it up on the centerstand for the nightand start it the next day.
Now this dosen't mean it won't need a few things tinkered with.
It's always a real good idea to put in a new set of timing belts regardless of miles or age.it's cheap insurance for the engine

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Re: 82 GL1100I Blue smoke @ startup

Postby marcieclark17 » Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:15 pm

Mine does that too, with only 70K on the speedometer. It quits when it gets warm. I changed the timing belts ($221 including labor at our local shop). Very cheap insurance and peace of mind. Good luck on your purchase.

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Re: 82 GL1100I Blue smoke @ startup

Postby virgilmobile » Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:49 pm

marcieclark17 wrote:Mine does that too, with only 70K on the speedometer. It quits when it gets warm. I changed the timing belts ($221 including labor at our local shop). Very cheap insurance and peace of mind. Good luck on your purchase.


There's "How To" articles here on how to change the belts,It really isn't a mystery of modern engineering.
Of that $221 amount,less than $50 bucks was the parts.I think I paid $21 each at Napa.

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Re: 82 GL1100I Blue smoke @ startup

Postby moffat » Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:39 am

My 1982 Interstate does the same thing. After being left for a good few days either on the side stand or the centre stand it blows blue smoke mainly out of the left hand cyliders silencer but due to the balance pipe on the exhausts some blue smoke also comes out of the right hand silencer.
The engine has beeen completely overhauled ( 400 miles ago) with all cylinders re bored/honed with new piston rings fitted with gaps cerefully measured and the compression test after overhauls showed 170 PSI on all cylinderes. The inlet and exhaust valves very carefully checked for wear (none ) and new valve oil seals fitted as a matter of course. All bearings and primary chain where changed whilst the engine was in pieces.
I am very disappointed that the bike smokes on start up after being left for a few days though-Did they all do this from new???
If I use the bike regularly ( bit difficult due to the English weather!) then no smoke on start up???
I have redrained the oil off and refilled it with good quality oil to the amount stated in the maintenance manual and have checked the sight glass to make sure its not overfilled.
Do I have to put more miles on the clock to bed the rings in or something????

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Re: 82 GL1100I Blue smoke @ startup

Postby WingAdmin » Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:10 pm

If the smoke goes away once the bike is started up, the source is normally hardened valve guide seals, not pistons/rings. Oil pools in the heads, and during start up, any oil that leaked down the valve guide seals is burned off. However once it's running, that problem is gone.

If it bothers you, you can spend the time replacing the seals (and there are methods of doing this without pulling the head). If it doesn't, you can live with the little bit of smoke during startup.

Now if it continues to smoke for a while after startup, you should start investigating the problem.

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Re: 82 GL1100I Blue smoke @ startup

Postby patbrandon1 » Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:11 am

Mine has never done this. Maybe because I use the center stand whenever I am parking for more than an hour. Some may wonder why I do that. But bluish smoke is usually the best color to have come out, if there needs to be any. Red, or green, or purple smoke, would be worse. ;)

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Re: 82 GL1100I Blue smoke @ startup

Postby virgilmobile » Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:12 am

Have you heard of a gas additive that changes the odor of the exhaust?
Strawberry or bubblegum would be interesting.
http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Fuel-Frag ... ,1656.html

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Re: 82 GL1100I Blue smoke @ startup

Postby patbrandon1 » Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:55 am

virgilmobile wrote:Have you heard of a gas additive that changes the odor of the exhaust?
Strawberry or bubblegum would be interesting.
http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Fuel-Frag ... ,1656.html


Hahahahaha. This is so silly, I might just try it. Have you tried it Virg? I'm going to try the Pina Colada. I don't drink, but I wanna drive past a cop and just see if they might pull me over. :lol:

I noticed that they don't have blueberry, for those of us that want our scent to match the smoke color though. I'll have to suggest that.

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Re: 82 GL1100I Blue smoke @ startup

Postby virgilmobile » Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:59 am

I vote to try the Gentleman Jack scent.
Just to see...(I know most of the PD people)

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Re: 82 GL1100I Blue smoke @ startup

Postby moffat » Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:12 am

Wingadmin mentioned that the cylinder head valves oil seals can be changed without taking the heads off. I have seen a thread on this but do not know where to buy the valve spring compressor that is used in this procedure. Any ideas where I can get one on this side of the pond?

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Re: 82 GL1100I Blue smoke @ startup

Postby SteveB123 » Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:58 am

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Valve-Spring-Compressor-OHV-/320608559567?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4aa5c261cf

Something like that will do, Sir!
You're grasping the spring and the retainers, and squeezing them together to allow the removal the the locks, and then removal of the springs.
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Re: 82 GL1100I Blue smoke @ startup

Postby moffat » Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:25 am

Thanks SteveB123 for the link. I have just ordered the item!. I am tired of my Goldwing smoking inspite of all the work done on the engine. I am going to replace the valve seals again for the third time. In fact I plan to remove the rocker box covers after the next ride and let the oil drip into a can on either side .Then I'll put them back on and if it still smokes on start up it will not be leaking via the valve seals into the cylinder.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: 82 GL1100I Blue smoke @ startup

Postby SteveB123 » Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:09 am

My, what a lovely bike you have. 8-)

Note that you've have to retain the valves in their seats while you have the springs and retainers off. This can be done by compressed air though the spark plug hole, or by feeding in a length of soft rope into the cylinder via the plug hole, and gently turning the engine over by hand to squeeze the rope into the combustion chanber.
Yes, it actually works, I used that method on my first car, Fiat X1/9.
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Re: 82 GL1100I Blue smoke @ startup

Postby WingAdmin » Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:01 am

SteveB123 wrote:My, what a lovely bike you have. 8-)

Note that you've have to retain the valves in their seats while you have the springs and retainers off. This can be done by compressed air though the spark plug hole, or by feeding in a length of soft rope into the cylinder via the plug hole, and gently turning the engine over by hand to squeeze the rope into the combustion chanber.
Yes, it actually works, I used that method on my first car, Fiat X1/9.


I used to LOVE that car, SO wanted one when I was a kid. Here in town, we have one of the few new Fiat dealerships, and I saw this cherry X1/9 out front - I couldn't believe it!

Fiat X1/9
Fiat X1/9


I was looking at it, and of course one of the salesmen came out to tell me about it. He brought me in back to talk to one of the mechanics, who is the guy who restored it. Apparently they hired this guy whose expertise is restoring (and racing) old Fiats. The dealership buys old Fiats on eBay, usually two of a car, uses one as a donor car for parts, and builds one good, restored car. They then sell the restored car. I was pretty impressed, both by the guy and by the cars they were restoring.

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Re: 82 GL1100I Blue smoke @ startup

Postby kaao » Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:39 pm

Yup, smoke clears, just fine on the center stand, thanks all, but gonna pass on the scented stuff, not that way, just not right, ha.ha.

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Re: 82 GL1100I Blue smoke @ startup

Postby patbrandon1 » Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:07 pm

kaao wrote:Yup, smoke clears, just fine on the center stand, thanks all, but gonna pass on the scented stuff, not that way, just not right, ha.ha.


Glad to hear you solved your issue. Yeah, I rethought the scented smoke thing too. It can't be a good thing to burn some foreign substance in the chamber needlessly. Couldn't someone just dump a Pina Colada in their tank and get the same effect? ;) Or maybe a can of beer, or a flower?

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Re: 82 GL1100I Blue smoke @ startup

Postby WingAdmin » Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:04 pm

patbrandon1 wrote:Glad to hear you solved your issue. Yeah, I rethought the scented smoke thing too. It can't be a good thing to burn some foreign substance in the chamber needlessly. Couldn't someone just dump a Pina Colada in their tank and get the same effect? ;) Or maybe a can of beer, or a flower?


I like sweet things, perhaps some sugar in my gas tank would work well? :) :)

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Re: 82 GL1100I Blue smoke @ startup

Postby moffat » Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:32 am

Just to finish this off without getting sidetracked by little Italian cars and fuel flavouring techniques!
I have parked the bike on botn stands with the rocker covers removed thus allowing residual oil to drain into cans either side preventing oil leaking past the new oil seals- It still smokes on start up BUT I have found that if I lower the oil level to 1/4 inch below the maximum level mark then I get NO blue :idea: smoke from the exhausts after the bike has been parked on the side stand or the centre stand. A result????? :idea:




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