Replacing Brake Lines


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Replacing Brake Lines

Postby colemadad » Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:35 pm



I'm going to replace my brake lines with SS on my '83 Interstate. I'm having a bugger of a time getting the short rear brake line disconnected from the metal line. They meet at a clip that is attached to the frame and I just can't seem to get the leverage to torque it off. Is it just a matter of persistence and penetrating oil or is there a trick to it that I'm missing? Thanks.
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Re: Replacing Brake Lines

Postby lake_harley » Sun Feb 14, 2010 11:09 am

When doing mine recently, I took out the bolt (10MM? head) that holds a "L" bracket to the frame tab. That allowed me to get the line/hose connection out where I could get wrenches on the fittings better. A "line wrench", as opposed to an open end wrench, will let you put more torque on the steel line's fitting without rounding off the corners of the nut. Hope this helps.....

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Re: Replacing Brake Lines

Postby colemadad » Sun Feb 14, 2010 9:36 pm

Thanks Lynn, I did remove the bracket to no avail. I'll given the line wrench - and some penetrating oil - a shot - that sounds like a good idea.
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Re: Replacing Brake Lines

Postby colemadad » Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:12 pm

Got it. I think the new wrench was the key, and the penetrating oil didn't hurt either.

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Re: Replacing Brake Lines

Postby gordonv » Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:04 am

Have you finished your swap yet and how are you finding the SS lines?

Where, how did you get them, sized already or do you get them custom made at some shop (local auto repair shop)?

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Re: Replacing Brake Lines

Postby WingAdmin » Mon Feb 22, 2010 7:55 am

I put a set of Venco stainless steel brake lines on my 1100 last year, and they are the single best upgrade I have made to my bike. They are made specifically for the year and model of your bike. They turned my soft, spongy, 25-year old brakes into razor-sharp, powerful, modern brakes that I can depend on. I highly recommend the upgrade!

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Re: Replacing Brake Lines

Postby lake_harley » Mon Feb 22, 2010 8:51 am

A friend of mine here in Missouri who does custom hoses built two of the three lines for my GL1100. The hoses were only about $70 for the pair. One was done in "normal" hose, the other one was done with braided stainless with a thin black covering. Each hose was tested to 3,000 PSI before he let them out of the door. You'd probably have to send hoses to him to duplicate them so time may be a factor. His hose business goes by the name "Tubes and Hoses" and I think it may be some sort of authorized dealership/franchise so doing a bit of looking locally may un-earth someone near you doing the same thing. If you want to contact me via e-mail I can get you his contact info.

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Re: Replacing Brake Lines

Postby colemadad » Mon Feb 22, 2010 3:02 pm

I'll be sending the hoses out this week. They're going to a guy near Halifax - you can see his add on the Halifax site of Kijiji (in the top adds). He has quoted me $125. for all 3 hoses; I'll be loaning him my old hoses to use as templates. I'll let you know how it works out.

Wing Admin - did your hoses come with all the rubber "anti-scuff" sections that the OEM hoses had or does the plactic covering over the SS braid take care of that?
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Re: Replacing Brake Lines

Postby WingAdmin » Mon Feb 22, 2010 4:12 pm

colemadad wrote:Wing Admin - did your hoses come with all the rubber "anti-scuff" sections that the OEM hoses had or does the plactic covering over the SS braid take care of that?
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They did not have the rubber sections, but the outer coating over top of the stainless braid is extremely tough, so I'm not worried. I also re-used the original rubber bushings that I cut off when I removed the old brake lines.

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Re: Replacing Brake Lines

Postby gordonv » Mon Feb 22, 2010 7:23 pm

Are these "rubber bushings" like rubber hose that the line passes through, like the air shock line for the rear shock, so it wont ware off on the bike parts/frame?

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Re: Replacing Brake Lines

Postby WingAdmin » Mon Feb 22, 2010 8:08 pm

The rubber bushings are small, maybe 1/2" long hollow cylinders. They surround the brake line where it goes through a metal stay, to prevent the brake line from rubbing against the edges of the stay. The bushings have flanges on each end to hold it in place in the stay.

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Re: Replacing Brake Lines

Postby lake_harley » Mon Feb 22, 2010 9:31 pm

gordonv...You may be referring to the short sections of what is basically a larger size hose over various places on the stock rubber hoses? My hose builder suggested that those wouldn't be necessary, since, as he put it, the outer covering over the actual SS braid is "really tough". On mine, we did install the short "bushings" that WingAdmin described for where they pass through the actual stays that "hold" the hose(s) in one or more places.

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Re: Replacing Brake Lines

Postby gordonv » Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:41 pm

Thank you guys.

I think the $ for the premade ones are a little high, if you got the others custom made for less than $100. So I'll check with my motorcycle shop and some automotive also, and see how much they want for them.

Since I do almost all my riding two-up, any extra stopping power would be good for our safety.

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Re: Replacing Brake Lines

Postby WingAdmin » Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:30 am

I agree that the Venco lines are a bit pricey - but after I started pricing out the brake lines, banjo fittings, washers and so on that I'd have to buy with custom lines - it came to pretty close to the same price, so I decided to just go with the Venco kits that came with everything.

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Re: Replacing Brake Lines

Postby tumunga » Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:48 pm

I just purchased a set of 4 stainless lines for my '80 Interstate from a custom "hoser" in Canada. They cost $69.95+12.95 shipped to my door.

Here's the auction I won:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120528665873&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT

They came in a box, just like something you'd buy at Autozone. The kit has the 4 lines, and a bunch of banjo bolts and washers. I got the clear coated ones so I can see the fancy stainless braid in all it's glory. I haven't installed them yet, they're on my list.

I just about have the Road King mufflers installed on the bike. Gonna put fresh wheel bearings on it, a new rear tire, a single carb intake from LD, and patch that crack on my inner fairing (using the nice instructions on this site the whole time!) then off on a BunBurner 1500 this spring.
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Re: Replacing Brake Lines

Postby WingAdmin » Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:50 pm

That's a fantastic deal on those brake lines! Let us know how you get on putting them on. Are you doing any other brake work at the same time? I took the time to rebuild my master cylinders and calipers at the same time when I did mine.

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Re: Replacing Brake Lines

Postby tumunga » Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:50 pm

My calipers and wheel cylinders are in pretty good shape, so I'm going to put them off for a bit, but will probably start stocking up on the parts while I still have a little bit of that money Uncle Sam decided I was allowed to have back.

Here's a couple of pictures of stainless brake lines:

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Re: Replacing Brake Lines

Postby gordonv » Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:49 am

Looks very good, thank you for the post.

I notice that they have aluminum ends. I'm sure this is strong enough, but are they coated to stop corrosion?

You mentioned clear coated, did they offer colors (black), or did you ask?

It mentioned 4 lines, I take it then there are 3 for the front (one to the T bar, then off to each caliper) and one for the rear?

Would love to hear how you make out with them. I'll most likely try to find the time to swap mine out this summer while I'm riding my summer bike and can afford to have it down for a while.

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Re: Replacing Brake Lines

Postby WingAdmin » Fri Feb 26, 2010 8:27 am

gordonv wrote:I notice that they have aluminum ends. I'm sure this is strong enough, but are they coated to stop corrosion?


I'm pretty sure both the OEM lines I replaced, as well as the new lines I put on, both had aluminum banjo fittings.

gordonv wrote:It mentioned 4 lines, I take it then there are 3 for the front (one to the T bar, then off to each caliper) and one for the rear?


That's correct. The other questions, he'll have to answer.

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Re: Replacing Brake Lines

Postby tumunga » Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:50 am

The banjo fittings are aluminum. The auction says, "Cadmium plated end fittings". This auction didn't offer different colors, but I've seen other auctions on ebay, in the same price range, offering other colors for the coating.


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