Changing your system to LEDs for safety


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Changing your system to LEDs for safety

Postby MSGT-R » Sat Feb 27, 2010 9:02 pm



Okay, I think I'm done now. I've changed every stock light to LED, the flasher to the electronic version, and the headlight to a Silverstar. I took off the stock reflectors on the saddlebags and put on LED lights that you can get at an autoparts store. I fired her up and it looks great.

The backside; you have to drill some holes to route the wires:
Out of the bag and behind the turnsignal in a protected area:
Run the wires along side of the stock harness:
Tie into the harness over the fender; the brown wire is the running lights:
Tying into the harness required opening it up, stripping a section of the brown wire, tying the branch into that, and taping everything back up again. The goofy thing about these lights is that the power wire was black, the white was ground (go figure).


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Re: Changing your system to LEDs for safety

Postby MSGT-R » Fri Mar 05, 2010 6:23 pm

Wow, 27 lookers and not one reply (?) Either I'm going to be seeing lots more LED set ups, or y'all don't like it.. :roll:
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Re: Changing your system to LEDs for safety

Postby WingAdmin » Fri Mar 05, 2010 6:33 pm

:lol: I didn't reply because I've seen the project as it progressed - but it looks great all finished. I particularly like the lights on the front lower fairings - don't know if I'll do them right away, but I do plan to do them. I want to find some smaller, waterproof LEDs to put there.

My bike is entirely LED now except for the front turn signals - which I will be doing this month. I love the sharpness of the ON/OFF of the turn signals - it's really eye catching. Eye catching is good.

I should mention that I've had LEDs in my bike for a while now, but I have replaced some of the older LEDs for newer SMD type LEDs, because the new SMD type LEDs are an order of magnitude brighter (i.e. retina-searingly bright!). This made a big difference particularly in the brake lights.

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Re: Changing your system to LEDs for safety

Postby gordonv » Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:46 pm

I haven't replied because I know nothing about the project, and haven't had my own bike long enough to know what I am comparing this too.

I understand the advantage of having instand on/off of a LED compared to the fad on/off of an incandesant buld.

But at this point I don't know or see a "reason" for it.

I need to pick up a head light modulator, but was sort of waiting till I sold my 98 ACE Shadow to see if the modulator will be sold with the bike along with all the other add-ons, before I go out and buy another one, plus I haven't done much riding yet on my GL1100.

Looks like you sent a lot of time doing this porject. I hadn't search for a previous thread to see if you had posted the before also.

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Re: Changing your system to LEDs for safety

Postby MSGT-R » Sat Mar 06, 2010 12:58 am

Great; discussion! :mrgreen:

The reason for LEDs is that they collectively reduce system load on the alternator. The older wing alternators weren't known for their stellar output, and even a set of auxillary driving lights can overwhelm it. Converting as much to LED that you can gives you a little more available power to do other things with (like driving lights or fog lights). I added the additional running lighs so the bike is more visible at night.
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Re: Changing your system to LEDs for safety

Postby fireguy » Sat Mar 06, 2010 11:11 am

I tried some LED bulb conversions in my GL1100 and of course the flasher didn't work. Didn't think ... the amp draw was so low that the standard flasher didn't work. What flasher did you end up using? I think I'll try it again. The bulbs are a direct fit for the 1157 bulbs.....although not real wild about the one I put in the brake light gave only a pin point of light through the lens.

Your bike looks great...love the idea of the LED clearance lights.

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Re: Changing your system to LEDs for safety

Postby WingAdmin » Sat Mar 06, 2010 4:15 pm

I replaced the flasher in my 1100 with this flasher when I put LED turn signals on my bike, and it works perfectly, it's been in there for over a year now.

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Re: Changing your system to LEDs for safety

Postby MSGT-R » Sat Mar 06, 2010 6:48 pm

And I get all my LEDs from here: http://www.customdynamics.com/
Their 1156 and 1157 bulbs have side lights for better "spread".

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Re: Changing your system to LEDs for safety

Postby guitarlos » Sat Mar 06, 2010 7:03 pm

MSGT-R, looks great. Its just as simple as installing them into your existing sockets? wow, how cool is that.

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Re: Changing your system to LEDs for safety

Postby WingAdmin » Sat Mar 06, 2010 9:46 pm

The rear tail/brake lights on the 1100 depend on the internal reflectors to spread the light to fill the entire lens. If you use LED's that just shine light out the top, you end up with two bright circles on your brake lens. You really need LED light units that send light out the sides as well, like MSG-T shows.

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Re: Changing your system to LEDs for safety

Postby MSGT-R » Sun Mar 07, 2010 1:12 am

guitarlos wrote:MSGT-R, looks great. Its just as simple as installing them into your existing sockets? wow, how cool is that.


The only tight fit I had was with the front turn signal housings. I put a little flapper wheel sander on my Dremel Tool and lightly touched it to the edge of the hole so the fatter bulb would pass through. It didn't take much at all, very slight.

The only bulbs I couldn't change were those in the dash and gauges. There isn't an LED bulb for those tiny push-n-turns, just a blade style, so our old beasts are out of luck in that area.
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Re: Changing your system to LEDs for safety

Postby WingAdmin » Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:18 am

MSGT-R wrote:The only bulbs I couldn't change were those in the dash and gauges. There isn't an LED bulb for those tiny push-n-turns, just a blade style, so our old beasts are out of luck in that area.


Sure you can replace those - just take a component LED (I'd suggest a bright green one), remove the old bulb, and solder the new LED in place (with a current limiting resistor). Chances are the LED will outlast the bike. The light in my voltmeter is burned out, and next time I have a reason to tear my gauges apart, I'm going to replace all of those with LEDs.

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Re: Changing your system to LEDs for safety

Postby MSGT-R » Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:18 am

The only other way to do it would be to change all the sockets to the blade type and I'm not sure I want to go that far. I think the V4 forums came up with something like 40 watts total being drawn in the gauge area (if everything was on at once), and I can live with that.
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Re: Changing your system to LEDs for safety

Postby WingAdmin » Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:46 am

Wow. 40 watts is more than I would have guessed. That's enough that I think it would be worth it to me - to keep from drawing down my battery at idle (when my driving lights are on).

I'll keep that in mind for next winter, I think. I'm already behind on this winter's maintenance, as in, "haven't yet started it." :)

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Re: Changing your system to LEDs for safety

Postby MSGT-R » Sun Mar 07, 2010 3:03 pm

Here's the link to the thread over at the V4HondaBBS:
http://v4hondabbs.com/index.php?topic=12186.0

A guy named Charles has done lots of different mods to his V65 Magna, some of which can be applied to other motorcycles.
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Re: Changing your system to LEDs for safety

Postby midnight Ripper » Mon Mar 08, 2010 2:19 pm

Do you need only one replacement flasher, If so where is the original (OEM) one located????

I know I would need the new flasher and new LED bulbs, but do I also need to replace any of the bulb housings to make LED's work?????

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Re: Changing your system to LEDs for safety

Postby WingAdmin » Mon Mar 08, 2010 3:09 pm

Only one flasher, yes, and it's located underneath the false tank, on the left side, immediately in front of the regulator. It's held to the frame with a rubber thing that stretches around it and insulates it from vibration.

As long as the LED replacement bulbs are the same physical size as the originals, they should fit right into the housings with no modifications.

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Re: Changing your system to LEDs for safety

Postby igonzalezjr » Mon Mar 15, 2010 12:00 am

MSG-R what a beautiful bike. I just picked up an 83 goldwing that's going to need a little cosmetic work but nothing great. One of the first things on the list was LED lights. Thank you for all the great information. And thanks for your service to our great country.
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Re: Changing your system to LEDs for safety

Postby MSGT-R » Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:48 am

You're welcome (I'm retired).

Have fun with that restoration. I hope you don't have to remove all that body work (for paint) that I did... 17 pieces of hell to put back together after the final clean up :shock:

.and don't paint it green unless you really like green (like me). :lol:
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Re: Changing your system to LEDs for safety

Postby WingAdmin » Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:56 am

I love the green! It's eye catching, or would be to me, simply because I know very well they never came in green!

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Re: Changing your system to LEDs for safety

Postby ourgangmn » Tue Mar 23, 2010 8:07 pm

Thanks for the post and the pics. I am looking at changing my old lights on my '82 Aspy to LED's and trying to convince myself to tear her apart for a badly needed repaint.....

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Re: Changing your system to LEDs for safety

Postby MSGT-R » Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:43 am

Take pictures before and during disassembly. It helps when going back together.
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Re: Changing your system to LEDs for safety

Postby ourgangmn » Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:31 am

Yep, I took a bunch of "before" pics last night. If I am feeling gutsy I'll begin dis-assembly this weekend. Thanks.

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Re: Changing your system to LEDs for safety

Postby Bluto » Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:18 am

Is it absolutely necessary to change the flasher in the system because of the LEDs or is this something you just did? btw your bike looks great. That is an awesome color. Never imagine i would like a green motorcycle.

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Re: Changing your system to LEDs for safety

Postby MSGT-R » Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:12 am

I just grabbed a two-prong electronic flasher from Autozone, works fine.


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