water in my oil


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water in my oil

Postby stephenminer » Sun Feb 28, 2010 6:38 pm



Ok here we go.....I have no compression at all when i checked my oil through the glass it looked milky.
I drained the oil only to find it was milky....what would be the cause of this..also i heard a ticking noise down by my valves any relation as what is going on..i have a 1982 interstate 1100cc



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Re: water in my oil

Postby WingAdmin » Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:12 pm

It's time to pull the heads off the bike and replace the head gasket. Do you know which cylinders have no compression, or is it all four of them?

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Re: water in my oil

Postby stephenminer » Mon Mar 01, 2010 10:32 am

i think it is all 4 cylinders.....when i went to check my oil level it looked milky and we drained it and it had oil in it....is it real hard to take off the heads?

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Re: water in my oil

Postby WingAdmin » Mon Mar 01, 2010 10:38 am

Very odd to have both head gaskets go at once, unless the bike overheated massively, in which case you may be looking at more problems than just head gaskets. You could have a cracked block, which would also explain the coolant in your oil.

Honestly, I'd pull the engine out and examine it closely, with a fairly good expectation that you're going to need to replace it.

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Re: water in my oil

Postby gordonv » Mon Mar 01, 2010 3:14 pm

OK, lets step back a second. You ask what is this milky oil? You do understand that the milky oil is water in your oil?

You said you have no compression? So I take it you did a compression test on 1 or all your cyclinders, and found zero compression (or a lot lower than factory)?

I am not too familar with the GL1100 cc engine, so don't know where water can get into the oil, so we'll go by WingAdmin's recommendations that it is the head gasket. I know you can also get it from the oil/water pump, but with no compression, it would point to something to do with the cyclinders/heads. Do you know how to do a compression test, I know it's simple, but I'm just covering all bases, and trying to understand your level of mechanical ability?

What could cause complete compression failure and water leak? Gasket failure (all?) Head bolts loose (all?) Cam/valves (no) Water/oil pump (oil/water, but not compression)? Anything else?

Any externail leaks, oil/water on the ground under the bike?

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Re: water in my oil

Postby WingAdmin » Mon Mar 01, 2010 3:35 pm

Good points. If it was a water pump, or a water pump O-ring, there would be lots of water and oil coming out of the weep hole onto the ground. It's possible (but very unlikely) to have a water pump fail, and with the weep hole plugged, it could inject water into the oil - but that would be a hell of a leak. So I agree we should probably rule that one out as a cause at least to begin with.

There's a few other places where water can get into the oil. The front engine cover, if it is removed and O-rings are not installed correctly when it is replaced, can inject water into the oil.

A failed head gasket can allow water into the oil. In this case, it will also most likely let water into the cylinders - which means your spark plugs will be clean - steam cleaned. If you pull your spark plugs, what are they looking like? Head gaskets don't typically go in pairs - although severe overheating can cause a head gasket to fail. Failed head gaskets can present low or no compression symptoms.

And of course, a cracked engine block can allow the water jacket to bleed into the engine oil. This can also present low or no compression symptoms.

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Re: water in my oil

Postby stephenminer » Wed Mar 03, 2010 2:50 pm

Tomorrow my bro and I are going to take off the head and look at it...im hoping it is only the head gasket...thanks everybody for all of the help!

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Re: water in my oil

Postby gordonv » Wed Mar 03, 2010 3:06 pm

Good luck, let us know what you kind.

I am a little concerned that you are going straight to the head gasket before figuring it out more.

In you first post you said you had no compression, but you had a ticking noise near the valves. I take it by the ticking nooise, you had the engine running? With no compression? Can't be done, no compression=no running engine. I just don't want to see you spend hours and $ doing the head and finding out it was the water/oil pump seals.

But, you do what you want to do, don't let me hold you back. But "talk" is cheap, but using the forum it takes a little while to post and get a reply back.

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Re: water in my oil

Postby stephenminer » Wed Mar 03, 2010 3:18 pm

At first i had a starting problem which i fixed with a new solenoid. when i got it started, it sounded like it had low compression. when i shut the bike off i checked the oil through the glass and it looked milky so i drained the oil and sure enough it was milky. the ticking was before the solenoid went out.

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Re: water in my oil

Postby gordonv » Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:05 pm

Is there anything to make you believe that there might be a block failure? No anti-freeze and it was left out in negative winter weather?

Was it low compression, or no compression, in some or all cyclinders? I'm more of a back yard (I think in the US you say Shade tree?) mechanic, with a very good understnading of mechanical things. Without clarification of the symptoms, I can't rule out that there "might" be either multiple or a differant problem, than just jumping to the heads. Like I said, it very well could be, and I'm sure there is no harm done to pull the heads, give all the internals a good inspection, and then new gaskets. I would rather take a week (if you can afford to) and try to rule out other possibilities.

What else causes zero compression? timing belts gone, engine not turning over? Are there other signs of external leaks, or only the internal one of oil in the water? Is there water in the oil also?

Was this a running bike a week ago, and outside of the starter failure, all was well?

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Re: water in my oil

Postby meantrump2 » Thu Mar 04, 2010 7:41 am

OK, Here's my suggestion. Take it for what it's worth. Do a cylinder leak down test! This will tell you exactly where the leak is. If you don't have , or can get a leak down tester. You can remove ALL spark plugs, bring each cyl, to TDC and put compressed air in that cyl. Do this to ALL cyls.(at TDC) the compressed air will exit through the area where the problem is located and you WILL be able to hear it. Now if you get bubbles in the cooling system Probably and most likely the head gasket. Could be cracked block or head. I have also seen water in oil when head gasket blows between two cyls. If this is the case, you will hear the compressed air in the cyl next to the one your testing. If you have a cracked block, you will hear air through the hole where you pour oil in. I think this would be your best procedure , takes out most of the guess work. Do the spark plugs look steam clean?
Anothe concern of mine is, the start condition could have been do to HYDROLOCK, this could burn up the solonoid because of ampere draw. Also bends rods...Let us know what you find. Good luck.
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Re: water in my oil

Postby WingAdmin » Thu Mar 04, 2010 1:19 pm

I agree. Now knowing that it was actually running (which means you did not have NO compression), it's time to find out just which cylinder is leaking, and where. Rather than going tearing into it replacing head gaskets and so on, first find out what the problem actually is.

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Re: water in my oil

Postby mshawnm109r » Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:20 pm

hard to believe it would be both cylinders but i agree it would at least be head gaskets. ive worked on alot of bikes but very very few goldwings however ive been in the automotive repair bussiness for 23 years and i know what that means from a mechanical stand point. it would more than likely help if you posted the compression test numbers for each cylinder. also i agree with the air at TDC ive used this in cars alot. please let us know what you find. i hope it is not a cracked block or head but if it is let me know.i have pieces to a GL1100 that came with the bike i picked up.




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