Did I Strike Gold?


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Did I Strike Gold?

Postby portugeezer » Sun Sep 02, 2012 8:48 pm



I finally decided to at least remove my carbs to see what I need to repair them. I got everything but the push pull cables off the bell crank. Just for the heck of it I decided to inspect the O ring intake gaskets. Guess what I found? No gasket at all on cylinders 1&2 and really flattened ones on 3&4! Funny thing is I sprayed carb cleaner around them with no change! Ace opens at 8am tomorrow hopefully they have them! Do you guys think this might solve my idle issues? For now I'm a happy wingnut! :D :D :D Wish me luck!



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Re: Did I Strike Gold?

Postby thrasherg » Sun Sep 02, 2012 9:13 pm

Lots of luck being sent your way.. Amazing that they didn't leak gas everywhere if the o-rings where missing. I certainly hope this solves your problem.. If the o-rings are missing, it means a previous owner has been in there and not been very careful, I would be looking them over really carefully to see if anything else is a miss!!

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Re: Did I Strike Gold?

Postby portugeezer » Sun Sep 02, 2012 9:30 pm

The only place I found a little gas was in the air filter box but I know that came from the carbs popping.

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Re: Did I Strike Gold?

Postby portugeezer » Sun Sep 02, 2012 9:34 pm

As for the PO he rode the bike from 1998 to 2006 then parked it. I have to say that I see no signs at all of any maintnence ever being done! Timing belts on this bike will be done ASAP. I'm hoping this solves my carb issues. If so I will tackle that next

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Re: Did I Strike Gold?

Postby patbrandon1 » Sun Sep 02, 2012 9:39 pm

Did you spray the carb cleaner on it with really high rpms, or low, or both? Strange there was no change. Must have been machined perfectly. ;)

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Re: Did I Strike Gold?

Postby portugeezer » Sun Sep 02, 2012 10:10 pm

It would not really idle well and I had popping in both the carbs and the right side exhaust. I was revving on the throttle with one hand and spraying the carb cleaner with the other. I did not notice a change. If I did I would have went straight to those gaskets. The two cylinders that had them had some kind of jelly like glue on them! I got this bike through a guy who builds customs with crate motors like S&S. He also repairs Harleys. He often calls me if he gets anything Japanese. He told me that an older guy had brought in a wing that would not idle! He started the bike and rode it a few blocks and something in the driveline snapped. The owner of the bike told him to try to sell it for $800. I had a KZ440 that I got back into running condition that I told him I would trade for it. The guy walks with a limp and the Aspencade was hard for him to push around so he loved the light little KZ! I don't think the PO ever did any kind of work on anything mechanical. The driveshaft just had a broken snap ring! I suspect he had some sort of trouble and maybe let a neighbor or friend work on the bike. They pulled off the manifolds and didn't realize the importance of the seals. The bike has new plugs and wires. I'm hoping that was the problem! Like I have said before my GL1000 was quite a mess when I got it and it's a great bike now! I'm hopeful this one comes out the same!

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Re: Did I Strike Gold?

Postby patbrandon1 » Sun Sep 02, 2012 11:00 pm

Yeah, without those o-rings, it would really cause carb issues. Can you find out why they may have had it apart? You do know the Seafoam secret right. It will clean some of what that dirty air being drawn in left inside.

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Re: Did I Strike Gold?

Postby littlebeaver » Mon Sep 03, 2012 12:47 am

remove the carbs, remove the float covers and unscrew the slow jets [idle jets] inspect all the jets holes for clogs place back in, once cleaned up.. Should idle better....be sure to clean the main jets too..Look down into the center tower to find the idle jets...

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Re: Did I Strike Gold?

Postby littlebeaver » Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:06 am

Sometimes it's easier to just show folks what I'm talking about...Instead of trying to explain it...the center tower there, just look down into it, should see the slow jet [idle circuit] ,,,,if anyone is experiencing bad idleing it's the first place to look, also if the engine stumbles while pulling out, or if it chatters it's more than likely these jets being clogged. It's very common for them to get clogged especially if the machine has been sitting for a spell.... :D
center tower, you can see the jet down in there
center tower, you can see the jet down in there

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Re: Did I Strike Gold?

Postby portugeezer » Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:28 am

Where on earth do you get these O rings? I have been all over this morning looking! I went to Ace,Auto Zone,Advance,and Home Repo and found nothing. Ace has rings that fit in the slots but they sit flush!

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Re: Did I Strike Gold?

Postby portugeezer » Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:35 am

And thank you Little Beaver! I will do that as well once I find these darned O Rings! :x

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Re: Did I Strike Gold?

Postby littlebeaver » Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:43 am

Yeh I had a hard time finding them too, I found some on ebay and had to wait a few days for them is all, did other stuff until they came in...

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Re: Did I Strike Gold?

Postby portugeezer » Mon Sep 03, 2012 2:53 pm

I think I disconnected everything that I disconnected on the GL1000 but my carbs won't slide out! Do I need to remove something extra? What the heck am I overlooking?

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Re: Did I Strike Gold?

Postby littlebeaver » Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:03 pm

Yes remove the four tubes off the carbs drop it down to the top of the engine, now remove the two right slide covers and be careful with the springs, and slides, do all that first, then the cables will come off as you pull it out some, well they are easier to get to..remember which slide cover goes where too..the only way to remove these is to remove those covers or caps...Oh and when you go to install it, it just the reverse of taking it out..

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Re: Did I Strike Gold?

Postby portugeezer » Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:13 am

Ok, I got the carbs out. I cleaned up the sliders and got two jets out of each one. What is in that third hole? The small jets were pretty clean but the bigger ones were mostly clogged. I cleaned up the sliders too. I put new O rings in that I got at Menards. I figured its not that hard to swap them out if they dont work. I started the engine. No more popping in the carbs or backfire inside the mufflers. It still will not idle! I'm going to try to sync them when I get home from work but it's almost impossible on a bike that won't idle! I'm frustrated at this point and thinking about parting it out!

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Re: Did I Strike Gold?

Postby littlebeaver » Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:11 pm

When you pulled the slow jets did you make sure the jet hole in the center of the jet was clear as well as all the side ones, that center one is very important, heck they all are....Also did you check the float heights... Check air Passages up under the air cut off valves, don't give up so easy it's a pain but you will figure it out, we all have at some point....I must have removed my carbs ten times before everything was right, big headache...especially when I didn't know what I was doing... Fuel is getting to the carbs right...Petcock valve on, filter good? Did you turn up the idle screw on the outside of the carbs?

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Re: Did I Strike Gold?

Postby portugeezer » Tue Sep 04, 2012 1:11 pm

Idle screw? Where is it?

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Re: Did I Strike Gold?

Postby littlebeaver » Tue Sep 04, 2012 1:27 pm

The main idle screw is in this photo..Turn it up, then back down until your idle is just under 1k on the tach.
turn it up and the idle should work, if it doesn't something else is not right
turn it up and the idle should work, if it doesn't something else is not right

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Re: Did I Strike Gold?

Postby portugeezer » Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:20 pm

After syncing the carbs I can get it down to a hair over 1000RPM but any lower it eventually dies! Otherwise the higher RPM stuff is perfect! I will try running some lucas and seafoam for a few tanks! Oh as for the idle screw yes I did adjust that! Thanks for the pic!

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Re: Did I Strike Gold?

Postby littlebeaver » Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:54 pm

Are you using the choke when you start it ? When it's cold...? Have you messed around with the pilot idle screws at all? sounds like you need a good go thru on the carbs...

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Re: Did I Strike Gold?

Postby portugeezer » Wed Sep 05, 2012 9:23 pm

I'm going to have to save up for that Randakks kit! I think most guys would ride the bike the way it is but I'm a bit too fussy for that! I'm sure I am missing something! On the GL1000 I got away with just cleaning the jets and the sliders then adjusting the floats. I had bought some very basic kits for about $60 that just had a bowl gasket new needles and a couple O rings! I got the intake O rings from a friend who had a shop very close to me and a nice mercury sync tool! I think the carbs on this bike have more issues than that bike had! I didn't realize how lucky I had gotten! I'm not really going to part this thing out I'm just talking out of frustration! I have large palms and short fat fingers! My hands don't fit very well in some of the tight spaces on these old Wings! In the meantime I am still riding the GL1000 so I'm not hurting at all! I'm just being greedy wanting 2 nice wings!

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Re: Did I Strike Gold?

Postby sw3dl1 » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:40 am

The Randakks kit is the ONLY way to go. I just rebuilt the carbs on my 83. I started as you have, with just a cleaning. I won't go through the entire project but I had the carbs out three times fixing various problems. Had I just bought the Randakks jit to begin with things would have gone smoothly and I would have gotten it right the first time for alot less money. The kit seems expensive when you first look at it, take my word for it, it is a lot less expensive then if you start buying o-rings and jets and gaskets separately. Not only that but some of the o-rings included in the kit are very hard to find separately and very expenive when you do find them. Buy the Kit, you will be glad you did. Also, be careful when you buy and replace o-rings, some are not made to be used in carbuerator applications and will deteriorate when exposed to gasoline.

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Re: Did I Strike Gold?

Postby billviera » Thu Sep 13, 2012 6:44 pm

Ihave also run tectron gas addative in the gasoline---- this will help clean everything real well it helped my idle issue

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