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HELP and Advice

Postby bwbrunson » Wed Sep 19, 2012 8:42 pm



I am new to the Goldwing idea. I currently have a 1981 Kawasaki 305 CSR. Recently there has been an offer made for a trade. Fellow wants to trade me a 1980 Goldwing along with a couple of guns for my bike. Mine is in good condition and a daily driver. His needs a little work. He said it won't hold oil, and needs a rear tire. He claims that he has a guy to fix the leak for $100 but I am unsure if this sounds right. Any advice if
i should go for the trade?
Thanks



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Re: HELP and Advice

Postby WingAdmin » Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:51 am

It depends on why it's leaking oil. It could be a simple gasket fix, or it could be something a lot more serious. I'd want to know where the oil is coming from first.

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Re: HELP and Advice

Postby dingdong » Thu Sep 20, 2012 6:10 am

If someone tells me that "it won't hold oil" I would be very cautious. Not the same as "it has an oil leak".
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Re: HELP and Advice

Postby scotterichmond » Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:39 am

If it only take $100 to fix the oil leak, why didn;t it get done already. $100 is nothing to drop into a bike.

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Re: HELP and Advice

Postby Wingsconsin » Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:48 am

scotterichmond wrote:If it only take $100 to fix the oil leak, why didn;t it get done already. $100 is nothing to drop into a bike.


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Re: HELP and Advice

Postby bwbrunson » Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:03 am

This is a fellow who wanted to get in to riding and bought the bike only to realize it was way to big to learn on....... now he is strapped for cash and "can't afford to fix it". I just am not sure about the whole thing either.

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Re: HELP and Advice

Postby Possum51 » Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:11 am

The guy might be straight up and a nice person, but I have to agree with the other posts, something just don't smell right, big difference between oil leak and wont hold oil.
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Re: HELP and Advice

Postby tom84std » Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:40 am

"Won't hold oil" could be one of several things. The large O-ring that fits around the water pump body could be cracked. A bad gasket, but it could be a cracked aluminum gasket surface, stripped oil plug threads. That could be anything. It could be serious or it could be nothing. It could be a displaced O-ring on the filter cup or the retaining bolt. If he's serious about the the trade then he owes you an explanation. In my 13+ years and 50K+ miles of wrenching and riding four cylinder wings I've learned: Other than some minor electrical issues, they have no inherent problems to be aware of. They are at least as good if not better engineered products than anything else from any country on the planet. A 1980 model in fair shape with a minor problem or two, if properly repaired and maintained can easily outperform a brand new machine from any country with any number of wheels. #1 locate the leak and correct it. #2 remove the dreaded Molex connector under the left side panel and hard solder the yellow wires. #3 New tires, possibly wheel bearings, ALL fluids and lubricants. #4, it's a thirty year old piece of machinery. With a little bit of TLC and educated maintenance it'll perform as good if not better than something much newer, and more expensive. A Goldwing this age is just like a 12 year old horse in a lot of ways. Superior in experience and perfectly reliable, with the proper care.

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Re: HELP and Advice

Postby Wingsconsin » Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:45 am

Can you get a good look at this bike..?
Can you take it to the mechanic to get the $100 estimate verified?

The GL1100 Interstate my son currently owns is one we traded a CX500 for..
The fella that had it wanted something smaller for his daily commute into town that delivered great fuel economy..the CX does just that...
The overall condition of the GL was understated as I am finding out...
What I think happened was that he realized the GL needed brakes, caliper rebuilds, Master cylinder rebuilds, Tires, and other maintenance items that all cost money he didn't have..
So he was willing to trade down to a lesser valued $$ bike in order to get out from under the cost of repairs needed. He got a pristine small bike in great shape, and we got a larger bike in need of some investment...Both parties are winners as the GL is valued at more than the CX was even after the repairs are added...

The moral here is that it CAN work ..but do your due diligence in investigating the bike you are getting...

What is the $$value of the bike you are trading away VS the potential value $$ of the bike you are getting..? And the "throw in" of a few guns..? Value again..$$?

Maybe the guns are worth it...and the bike is the throw in...?

If the new bike is junk -- how much are you out..? Parting it out will help re-coup some of the loss if that happens...? But is it worth your time and efforts...?

When it comes to deals like this...follow the $$ ... and let the balance decide..emotions and helpng a guy out of a jam are nice..but have no place in this type of transaction...

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Re: HELP and Advice

Postby bwbrunson » Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:04 pm

he has sent me pictures of the bike and also where the oil is leaking- I just don't know enough about them to know what it is

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Re: HELP and Advice

Postby scotterichmond » Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:52 pm

Pictures , we like pictures !!

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Re: HELP and Advice

Postby Johnyy Smoke » Thu Sep 20, 2012 4:52 pm

Any pics of the guns?

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Re: HELP and Advice

Postby bwbrunson » Thu Sep 20, 2012 6:03 pm

I have pics but not sure how to get them on here.

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Re: HELP and Advice

Postby Johnyy Smoke » Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:25 pm

Go to the user control panel-it explains it there.Regards,Johnyy

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Re: HELP and Advice

Postby bwbrunson » Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:02 pm

Bike
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These are the pics I got from him. Not sure if you can tell much from them.

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Re: HELP and Advice

Postby Joecop » Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:05 pm

How many miles showing? From the pic looks like the clutch lever seal? Do u do any of your own work?

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Re: HELP and Advice

Postby bwbrunson » Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:31 pm

It I showing 50k miles. I am fairly new to bikes so I don't do any work myself yet...... But am wanting to learn how to.

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Re: HELP and Advice

Postby scotterichmond » Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:40 am

that's a nice looking bike. what would you estimate you will have into it if you make the trade? The one thing I would insist on is a compression check, and at least put it on the center stand an roll it through ALL the gears.

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Re: HELP and Advice

Postby Wingsconsin » Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:45 am

bwbrunson wrote:It I showing 50k miles. I am fairly new to bikes so I don't do any work myself yet...... But am wanting to learn how to.


This might be your chance...If that oil leak is the only thing wrong with the bike...it may be agood deal....

Do the math -- What is your bike worth? What are the guns worth?
What might this bike be worth if it were fixed? What will it cost to get it there..?
You will likely underestimate the repairs a little, but doing it your self will teach you so much that it may be worth it...and once you catch the wrenching bug..you will look to do more to the bike as you learn more about it.... ;)

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Re: HELP and Advice

Postby bwbrunson » Fri Sep 21, 2012 9:06 am

Thanks for the replies...... Cash money on the trade I would have about $750 in the bike. Will cost about $100 to go get it, and then repairs. He claims $100 on the oil leak and said the rear tire has a leak in it. Said rubber is good but it is leaking so I will want to probably replace that.
As far as the guns there is not much there- they are fairly low end guns he is throwing in. A pointer 20 ga pump and a .22

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Re: HELP and Advice

Postby scotterichmond » Fri Sep 21, 2012 9:39 am

If I were the one involved in this deal I would probably do it. But , I am a mechanic, thus the reason for my previous comments,(good compression and good gears) the rest is easy at least for a mechanic.

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Re: HELP and Advice

Postby Wingsconsin » Fri Sep 21, 2012 10:26 am

SO what is the real value of that bike once it is fixed up..? Somewhere between 1500 and 2000...?

You will have $750 Plus the $100 repair (someone elses estimate).
Add new tires ~ $200 plus mounting fees parts
Misc other stuff -- $150 +/- parts
And if you want to go crazy and rebuild all the brakes systems figure another $250 parts


Max output = $1500ish and you get to learn a lot about repairing a motorcycle plus you get 2 cheapo guns...notice I state PARTS on all that..if you have to add LABOR (pay someone) to these numbers it gets unbalanced pretty quickly...

If this isn't your dependant transportation and you can weather not having something to ride for several weeks while you get this one up to par ...

And I am not a mechanic....But if it runs decent, shifts okay and appears cosmetically up close as it appears on the pictures..I might be incliined to do it too...

But if you are unwilling to take on some of the wrenching, knowing that you are a novice and may require help and patience, then this may not be for you....

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Re: HELP and Advice

Postby littlebeaver » Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:01 pm

Ask him to wash the bike and pinpoint the leak before you buy it or trade... :D

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Re: HELP and Advice

Postby Johnyy Smoke » Fri Sep 21, 2012 3:12 pm

My bike was in about the same condition,I would guess about $700 to $900 in parts-alot of what may need done is covered in the dyi articles located here.Read thru a couple of them-they may look complicated-but things will fal into place afte rereading.It will give you a good idea if you can tackle the job.Regards,Johnyy

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Re: HELP and Advice

Postby patbrandon1 » Fri Sep 21, 2012 10:39 pm

bwbrunson wrote:I am new to the Goldwing idea. I currently have a 1981 Kawasaki 305 CSR. Recently there has been an offer made for a trade. Fellow wants to trade me a 1980 Goldwing along with a couple of guns for my bike. Mine is in good condition and a daily driver. His needs a little work. He said it won't hold oil, and needs a rear tire. He claims that he has a guy to fix the leak for $100 but I am unsure if this sounds right. Any advice if
i should go for the trade?
Thanks


Welcome to the site BW. You live in Texas? Year round riding? This is an awesome site for novice wrenchers. The DIY articles are excellent here. I go to some other Goldwing sites too, but that's just for socializing and parts. I am changing my rear tire this winter, (Michigan isn't year round riding :( . Here is an example of how great the DIY articles are. viewtopic.php?f=11&t=73 I have taken the tire off several times, but I still refer to this to stay on task. It is actually fun to do, with the support of the people and DIY's on this site.

As far as your deal, take the Goldwing. I don't believe you can lose, even if you just parted out the Wing. If you don't take it, give me the guys number, and I might.




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