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new battery but wont turn over

Postby thefixxer » Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:12 pm



so after 3 years off sitting finally got it started last night to day i went to get gas filled it up then tryed to turn it over
did one rotation then stoped
batter is charged and made sure the valve wasent stuck
now the soloanoid clicks but the stater doesnt any ideas
im new to the form so dont know what to put its a 81 gl1100 interstate with 45000 miles



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Re: new battery but wont turn over

Postby RoadRogue » Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:33 pm

First of all ,Welcome to the forum. This is the place to get help with your Wing.
You say the bike has been sitting for 3 years? Lots of things can happen in those 3 years. Electrical connections can corrode and is usually the cause of these issues. Check that the battery terminals are clean and tight.including the negative cable to the frame connection. Make sure that the "dogbone" fuse is still good (test with multimeter) if not then replace with automotive style blade fuse and holder . Is the bike in Nuetral?Are you getting any power to the starter when you hit the button? Does the headlight come on with the key? Does it go out when you hit the starter button? What happens when you use cables to put power straight to the stud on the starter?
Start at the battery with the multimeter and see where the power isnt getting to. 8-)
Ride safe, Todd
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Re: new battery but wont turn over

Postby virgilmobile » Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:40 pm

Kill the ignition(kill switch) remove all 4 spark plugs.bump the starter.
Be prepared for a copious amount of gas to shoot out of one of the holes.
This is called hydrolocked.It can happen in 10 minutes if a float is stuck.It floods the cylinders with gas.A short crank and the engine stops.

Now if this is your case,clean the carbs,even Sea Foam it.
Turn off the gas when you shut off the engine.

If it still won't crank with the plugs out,do a volt test on the starter post.It needs 12 volts when you push the button.

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Re: new battery but wont turn over

Postby thefixxer » Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:53 pm

i have a new battery no corrosion on any thing they battery was dead while it was on the bike so was the oil
i dont own a milti meter but how would you test the starter ? yes bike has been in N and if tryed putting it in 1st with clutch pulled in
lights turn on so does horn blinker and gadges work

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Re: new battery but wont turn over

Postby RoadRogue » Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:40 pm

Imissed the part about doing one rotation and then stopped, I think Virgilmobile hit the nail on the head on this one, Its likely hydrolocked. One cylinder has filled with gas from a stuck float valve. Sorry I must have been reading too fast again. :roll:
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Re: new battery but wont turn over

Postby thefixxer » Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:59 pm

the thing is that i took the plugs out and puched each valve in to let presster out

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Re: new battery but wont turn over

Postby thefixxer » Tue Oct 16, 2012 11:17 pm

tryed testing the moter positive on the prong that pops out the starter
and the negative on the case of the starter not moving at all and there is 12V in to the starter

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Re: new battery but wont turn over

Postby virgilmobile » Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:23 am

OK you have 12 volts on the starter and it won't crank the engine.
2 possibilities....the engine is seized or the starter is dead.

Remove all the spark plugs,kill the ignition (spark).

Put the bike in 5th gear and verify the engine will turn over by push starting it or turning the rear wheel.
If it won't turn over,let us know.

If it will,remove and repair the starter.There is plenty of advice and "how-to"articles about it.
Beware....I've heard that some aftermarket cheep starters don't fit.

Please keep us up to date....post often.

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Re: new battery but wont turn over

Postby thefixxer » Thu Oct 18, 2012 1:02 am

okay guys so i took off the starter last night today i cleaned it up and the brushes looked fine but it looked like it burned up just to make sure it wasent
but it all back together to make sure tryed jumping it but with no luck not hydro-locked and just waiting for some money for oil sea foam dang these bikes hole a lot of oil!!!!!! do starters really die so fast after working so good the day before
only thing is i cant drive it because i dont have a licence it was my dads bike before he passed and just wanted to get it running so i can drive it next year would putting it un the centerstand and putting it in 1st work

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Re: new battery but wont turn over

Postby thefixxer » Thu Oct 18, 2012 1:18 am

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=259
on the 7th picture the bolt your supost to undo snaped off

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Re: new battery but wont turn over

Postby RoadRogue » Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:39 am

Im a little confused, what do you mean by "these bikes hold alot of oil"? its only 4 quarts of oil.how much were you expecting to come out? If you got more than 4 quarts then I would think its been diluted with gas getting past the rings when it sits.thats bad float valves.do you have the manual yet? 8-)
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Re: new battery but wont turn over

Postby scotterichmond » Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:59 am

thefixxer wrote:http://goldwingdocs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=259
on the 7th picture the bolt your supost to undo snaped off

that bolt, did you break off the starter wire bolt?

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Re: new battery but wont turn over

Postby thefixxer » Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:47 pm

Well compared to my dirt bike yes ahha
And yes I think whe I took the back cap off it had some type of sealant on the holder when It piped off it took the whole thing with it
There is a used starter on eBay for 20$? So I'm just going to buy that

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Re: new battery but wont turn over

Postby scotterichmond » Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:51 pm

ok, that is a good price, and you can refresh it with this. If it needs it.I have used these, thet are very complete

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Starter-repair- ... 0f&vxp=mtr

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Re: new battery but wont turn over

Postby portugeezer » Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:27 pm

This still sounds exactly like the problem I had with hydrolock. I know you checked but wow the symptoms are exactly the same! Hopefully that starter fixes you up! If you do clean your carbs be aware that on these carbs the needle seats are removeable for cleaning and there is a tiny filter under there. The float levels can't be checked with the carbs on the bike so you really have to pay attention to the setting of the floats. I had mine out three times because I overlooked these things. I had a stuck needle plunger on #2 and it was stopping gas flow because the floats are set with zero pressure on that spring loaded plunger. Hang in there and you will love your Dads old bike! Mine went from a piece of junk to a smooth fast bike. I have to admit I have about 80 hours in that thing :lol:

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Re: new battery but wont turn over

Postby thefixxer » Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:55 pm

Yeah I can't wit to drive it still needs the crabs clean it's aperently the special edition so it has all types of chrome so takes 20 min to get to the spark plugs
How do you take off the carbs
Do you take off the stacks
If there is a video can you guys send me the link
And also I want some opinions
I dont like all the stuff on the bike like the bags and farring should I take Tim off or keep them on seems like slot of work

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Re: new battery but wont turn over

Postby eklimek » Fri Oct 19, 2012 5:08 pm

Its an esthetic question. Personally, leave the stuff on as original. The saddle bags are awkward in town. They can be put aside, but the top box is handy.

If you really want a cafe look it would be easier to find a naked bike .

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Re: new battery but wont turn over

Postby thefixxer » Sun Oct 21, 2012 3:43 am

just keeping you guys posted the starter should be coming around the 25 and for cleaning the carb
may i say IS THE HARDEST THING EVER! taking out the whole carb took about 2 hours and 3 just taking every thing apart for got that there was rubber still on the carb while i was spraying it so have to order a new one hopfully i can get it all back togeather

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Re: new battery but wont turn over

Postby eklimek » Sun Oct 21, 2012 6:52 am

I started the same process. After adding up the time and money and then considering the possibility of not discovering an error until it was reassembled, I sent it out. Admire you for doing it.

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Re: new battery but wont turn over

Postby scotterichmond » Sun Oct 21, 2012 9:24 am

thefixxer wrote:for cleaning the carb may i say IS THE HARDEST THING EVER! taking out the whole carb took about 2 hours and 3 just taking every thing apart for got that there was rubber still on the carb while i was spraying it so have to order a new one hopfully i can get it all back togeather

That's a very long time, did you follow how the manual says to do it? I know I can pull the carbs off my GL1000 in less that 30 minutes, But I have never had to pull the ones on my GL1100. I have read the manual, and I would not think it would be ant longer to do the 1100.

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Re: new battery but wont turn over

Postby eklimek » Sun Oct 21, 2012 9:29 am

For the novice 2 hours is not far off in simple removal. The cables can be tricky the first time. Removing the tops of Carb #1 and #3 is the trick. If expert 0.5 hours sounds about right.

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Re: new battery but wont turn over

Postby thefixxer » Sun Oct 21, 2012 5:38 pm

Yeah the longest part was takin off the stacks
Got them all cleaned just have to assemble the ready and that's about it

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Re: new battery but wont turn over

Postby scotterichmond » Mon Oct 22, 2012 8:11 am

thefixxer wrote:Yeah the longest part was takin off the stacks
Got them all cleaned just have to assemble the ready and that's about it

were you able to pull ALL the jets and get them clean, I hear there is one jet that has to be PULLED out.and it is usually the one that is plugged up, so I have read on this forum.

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Re: new battery but wont turn over

Postby thefixxer » Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:49 pm

the only real thing that was gumed up in there where the vacume thing have no idea what thats called and carb jet # and starter is coming tomarrow!

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Re: new battery but wont turn over

Postby Johnyy Smoke » Mon Oct 22, 2012 8:09 pm

Most likely it needs a new rebuilt starter.It is easy to get many confusing ideas (some are not so informed as they belive they are ) off of this forum, do the math-it sould work out. Regards, Johnyy




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