GL1100A CARB HELP NEEDED


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GL1100A CARB HELP NEEDED

Postby WINGER3 » Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:17 pm



I went for a run today with a tank full of gas and sea foam to see if it would clean out the carb's, I bought the bike a while back and it was running like crap, as it had not seen much use by the PO. I went about 55mi. and ran out of gas, which is about 10mi to the gallon, something is wrong. I had AAA piggy back it home, as it would not turn over after I discovered that I ran out of gas and tryed to start it, found loose wire to starter when I got home. I started the bike and let it run for about 3min. and shut it off, pulled the plugs and found the #1 & 3 where wet, #2 & 4 where dry so I can assume the 1 & 3 are flooding and that is where all my gas whent. I had done a compresion test prior and all 4 where at 155psi cold, spark tested strong on all cylenders, reveresed plugs from 1&3 to 2&4 and still same problem. I would just as soon not have to pull the carbs so I'm hopeing for a simple fix, but not holding my breath, so I thought maybe someone else has had the same problem. :?: :)
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Re: GL1100A CARB HELP NEEDED

Postby WingAdmin » Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:50 am

Well there's a couple things that can cause that much fuel to get to the cylinders, but the most common is a stuck float. Seafoam will sometimes help that out, especially at higher concentrations (whole can to full tank), but if not, you'll have to get into the carbs at least a little bit.

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Re: GL1100A CARB HELP NEEDED

Postby WINGER3 » Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:37 pm

WingAdmin wrote:Well there's a couple things that can cause that much fuel to get to the cylinders, but the most common is a stuck float. Seafoam will sometimes help that out, especially at higher concentrations (whole can to full tank), but if not, you'll have to get into the carbs at least a little bit.


I put in the whole can to the full tank and it ran great at 70mph and would now idle without stalling, but still had the high lazy RPM return, which is not vey good when up shifting. What bothers me is that both carbs on the same side have the floats stuck, but not the other bank. It maybe that the PO left it on the side stand all the time and that is why they are hung up, the PO was very slite of build and maybe could not get it on the center stand, just a thought. I think I will put in another can and see if it will clear it up, I just hate the up shift problem, but maybe that will also get back to normal, I did replace the intake O rings with OEM as #2 & 4 looks to have been leaking and that allowed me to sync the carbs @ 2000 rpm with Carbtune's. Thanks WingAdmin for the feedback. Bob
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Re: GL1100A CARB HELP NEEDED

Postby portugeezer » Fri Nov 02, 2012 5:09 pm

You need to take the carbs out and clean the jets the floats and the seats. Look at the needle valves and make sure the plungers work. When you reset the floats be sure someone here tells you the exact way. I had mine out 3 times because of this. #1 I did not unclog the center hole in my idle jets. # 2 I set the floats wrong #3 I had a bad plunger on one of my needles. My bike runs great now! I did the carb cleaning on my GL1000 too. I bought the very basic kits for that one from carb kit capital online. For my 1100 the only part I really needed was a needle valve and I had one here in my garage. I sprayed the gaskets with silicone spray before I reassembled. I have zero leaks! Don't be afraid of this job! You might get away with just the basics like I did twice!

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Re: GL1100A CARB HELP NEEDED

Postby portugeezer » Fri Nov 02, 2012 5:12 pm

Clean up those sliders too. The slow return is either those or not enough tension on the bellcrank spring. I'm sure you are going to get more advice from owners more experienced than I very soon.

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Re: GL1100A CARB HELP NEEDED

Postby WINGER3 » Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:34 pm

portugeezer wrote:Clean up those sliders too. The slow return is either those or not enough tension on the bellcrank spring. I'm sure you are going to get more advice from owners more experienced than I very soon.


Thanks for advice, I'll give sea foam one more chance and then pull the carbs. I pulled the fuel bowl plugs today and sprayed brake clener into the bowels, it came out clean, will go for a ride tomorrow and see if things get better. Thanks Bob :)
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Re: GL1100A CARB HELP NEEDED

Postby littlebeaver » Fri Nov 02, 2012 11:16 pm

Sound's like you should pull the carbs.. Inspect everything...

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Re: GL1100A CARB HELP NEEDED

Postby Rick_MD » Sun Nov 04, 2012 6:10 pm

It took me 5 tank fulls, with a half of a can of Seafoam each, before I saw good results. Every tank full was better than the previous, though. After 5, I saw no additional improvements until I adjusted the valves and synchronized the carbs. Then she ran smooth and had about 40% more power.

I don't believe the valves were ever adjusted. That with 62K on her. She was real happy after I was done! Now I know what ride her like you stole her means. :shock:

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Re: GL1100A CARB HELP NEEDED

Postby WINGER3 » Sun Nov 04, 2012 8:01 pm

Thanks Littlebeaver & Rick_MD for both of your reply's, I was going to make a 90 mi run today but the weather changed and got to 93F today, so will what till it cools down later in week. If this run dosen't make a good change in lazy throttle and increase gas mileage, then off come the carbs.
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Re: GL1100A CARB HELP NEEDED

Postby Rick_MD » Sun Nov 04, 2012 8:30 pm

You're welcome!

Ahhh, I miss the days of complaining about California weather. Sitting on 30-40 degrees here after hurricane Sandy's little mess.

I also miss the beaches, mountains, desert and of course riding down into ole Mayheeco (Mexico for the rest of the country).

I'll take the 90's any day with a cool breeze off the coast compared to the winter weather we will soon be getting around here.

Have a great one!

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Re: GL1100A CARB HELP NEEDED

Postby indianakid » Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:39 pm

where were you going to go on sunday to run up 90 miles? im in long beach and always looking for interesting places to go. if you decide to pull your carbs and go through them and have any questions / problems let me know as i have done it many times.

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Re: GL1100A CARB HELP NEEDED

Postby WINGER3 » Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:58 am

Rick_MD wrote:You're welcome!

Ahhh, I miss the days of complaining about California weather. Sitting on 30-40 degrees here after hurricane Sandy's little mess.

I also miss the beaches, mountains, desert and of course riding down into ole Mayheeco (Mexico for the rest of the country).

I'll take the 90's any day with a cool breeze off the coast compared to the winter weather we will soon be getting around here.

Have a great one!


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I know just how you feel, I'm just the reverse, I grew up in northern Minn. where the temp. drops to 30 to 50 below 0 for 2/3 months, and I loved it.
I joined the Marines in 1959 and have been in So. Ca. now 53 years and still can't stand it over 85, so maybe we should switch places.

Thanks Rick_MD
Keep warm, ride while you can. Winger3 :)
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Re: GL1100A CARB HELP NEEDED

Postby WINGER3 » Wed Nov 07, 2012 2:11 am

indianakid wrote:where were you going to go on sunday to run up 90 miles? im in long beach and always looking for interesting places to go. if you decide to pull your carbs and go through them and have any questions / problems let me know as i have done it many times.


Hi Indianakid, thanks for the offer. I run up the 91 to Corona and head So. on the 15 to Lake Elsanore, then I take the Ortaga Hwy. up the cork screw to the Lookout Cafe at the top. The cafe has great food and drinks and the view over looking the valley and lake is fantastic, it's a big stop for all bikers taking the Ortaga to or from the I 5. I never take the Ortaga anymore from the lookout as it kills more riders then any where else in Ca., I quit rideing it about 20 years ago. I hope I won't have to pull the carb's, will let you know.

Thanks Winger3 :mrgreen:
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Re: GL1100A CARB HELP NEEDED

Postby WINGER3 » Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:36 pm

Thanks for all the advice everyone, I pulled the carb's the other day and can't beleave the float settings, who ever did them had no idea of what they where doing. The lowest float setting was 22MM, the highest 27MM and others in between, I don't know how this bike could still run also the straw was missing, now I know why I ran out of gas in less then 60 mi. with a full tank. I have ordered the new brass straw from Randakk's, when I get it, I will finish the carb's. I must say that the sea foam I ran thrue the carb's made the insides look like brand new, could not find one orifice or jet that did not look new.

I want to thank Randakk's for the design of the carb setting tool, I made mine out of a nylon paint scraper and cut it to 15.5 mm on both side, what an easy job to reset the floats. Will drop a line when I get it all back together. Thanks Bob :mrgreen:

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Re: GL1100A CARB HELP NEEDED

Postby indianakid » Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:31 pm

with the floats set at 22 to 27 mm the mixture would be lean as the fuel level in the bowls would be lower than it should be.

it will be interesting to hear how it turns out.

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Re: GL1100A CARB HELP NEEDED

Postby WINGER3 » Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:21 am

indianakid wrote:with the floats set at 22 to 27 mm the mixture would be lean as the fuel level in the bowls would be lower than it should be.

it will be interesting to hear how it turns out.


Hi Indianakid; I had the same thought when I pulled the carbs and seen the setting on the floats, yet when I had it running and then pulled the plugs. #1 & #3 where wet everytime and #2 & #4 where almost white from being to lean, yet I went thrue a full tank of gas to reserve in less then 60 mi. I had checked every fuel line and found no leaks. I filled the tank and added another can of sea foam,took the bike out one more time for about 30 mi. run just befor I pulled the carbs and found that I had used only about a gallon.

The only thing I can think of, is after 2 cans of sea foam, that the floats on 1 & 3 where stuck and the foam did it's job. The PO had said the bike was sitting about a year under cover and now would not Idel and was backfireing when he started it up getting it ready to sell, other then that, it is a mystery to me about the gas. Bob :mrgreen:
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Re: GL1100A CARB HELP NEEDED

Postby WINGER3 » Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:15 pm

Well I have my bike on the road again, thanks to everyone for all the help I received on this site. I need to give special thanks to Newport and Virgilmobile for there extra special help. From Newport, I received my now working LCD and from Virgilmobile all the tech. info you could ask for. I shipped my defective LCD gauge console w/key pad to Virgilmobile, so as he can now have a unit to help others with problems with there unit, and maybe a chance to find a fix with there unit.
I have replaced the brake pads and rebuilt my rear calipers, bleed the lines, new solenoid w/30 amp blade fuse, new rear tire, moly lube all splines, rebuilt carbs, synch carbs, replaced LCD gauge unit, new battery, removed 3 yellow wires from connector and solderd them, changed oil and filter 15W-40 Rotella, lubed rear shaft, compression test cold 155 psi all cylinders, adj. valve lash, diletric lubed all connectors I could get to and things I cain't remember.
Took it out for short run, purrs like new baby kitten, idles down to 980/1010, all gauges now working. I'v added some pictures for you guys that just cain't seam read about the bike without them. :cry: Thanks again to all. Bob :mrgreen:
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Re: GL1100A CARB HELP NEEDED

Postby littlebeaver » Sat Feb 02, 2013 10:49 pm

Sounds like you're a happy camper man, that freakin Virgil, dude is good...Someone around here can help, that's why this site is so gosh darn good, it's personable, there are not too many big headed ego types around here, Virgil is one of the most respected individuals on this site..his knowledge is great in many areas, WingAdmin. oh don't get me started on him...Good group of folks here..I can't count how many times they have helped me..




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