Front shock Spring replacment


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Front shock Spring replacment

Postby littlebeaver » Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:15 pm



I have put this off for way too long, just got new tires and I have new rear shocks that are non air, progressives 412's, I just hate to screw with the air, I know the front springs are worn, no leaks, anywhere in the system, I have the correct amount of fluid in them, so I was told by a friend that the progressive springs are great for the front, I was told I wouldn't even need to worry with the air any more if I adding them :shock: ...Hello ...I want that..I shall see...here are the springs I ordered..anyone else around here have these installed on their bike, please do tell I need a review..? http://www.places2ride.com/motorcycle_g ... sku=207997



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Re: Front shock Spring replacment

Postby busarider007 » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:12 pm

I have them. The front seems much stiffer but haven't ridden it yet. Be careful when removing the caps on your shocks. Just make sure you have a good hold and expect the spring to want to fly out. Lots of warnings online but its not that bad... It takes only a couple hours to do the job.

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Re: Front shock Spring replacment

Postby Baunix63 » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:21 pm

Seers,

not for a GL 1100 but for a GL 500.
I changend the springs last spring. Oh, what a poem :D
Bevor changing i had on the front tyrem BridgestoneBT45, what we call in Germany "teeth of a saw".
Causing an extreme wooble by "german extrem cornering" nearly to the foot peds :mrgreen:
After changing springs I had a ride of 100km and these teeth were gone...
But I use about 0.8bar of air with the progressive springs.
My GL 1100 has the same setup, but I bought it just 4 weeks ago and I had only a ride about 10mls yet, through snow rain 8-)
Try that.

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Re: Front shock Spring replacment

Postby RoadRogue » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:30 pm

Hey Beave, Go for it, you will love them. :o I put them in my 1100 a few years ago front and rear. they do ride a little firmer than the stock springs but I found it improved the feel for the road, not harsh by any means. Remember the old ones are over 30 years old and are very tiredand now ride like a marshmallow. The Progressives will actually pick the front end up a little (measure the length of your exposed fork tubes before and after).You dont have to run air with them but you can if you want to.
I compare the improvement in handling to the difference between old worn out tires to new tires or old brake lines and new stainless braided lines.
BTW thats a good price on them, go for it you wont be disapointed, you may want to replace the fork slider bushings and seals for that brand new fork feeling. You can just replace the springs with out taking the forks out of the bike. You will find that when you remove fork caps there will be "some " pressure, the only challange I had was pushing hard enough on the caps when reassembling to rethread the cap with out cross threading them. I did it with an oversized socket/extension and ratchet. You just need to feel where the thread starts by turning counter clockwise until you feel the click,then tighten it up slowly feeling for any resitance. This is a piece of cake and right up your alley. 8-)
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Re: Front shock Spring replacment

Postby littlebeaver » Tue Dec 11, 2012 9:55 pm

Oh yeah, just after I got the bike it was one of the first things I did, I totally dismantled the whole fork removed and cleaned every part well and cleaned and soaked the springs clean, then put in new stuff so this time around it's going to be much easier for me as I have performed this task once and I learned from it [If I can remember how] :shock: :lol: ...I still have the pvc pipe I used for a slide hammer to set the seal down I made some special circlips from some cheap HF piers for the circlip because the ones I had were el cheapos and didn't work for nothing..my handmade tool worked like a charm the first time.. Thanks Todd for the information and I'm glad I made a good purchase...So if you say they are good , I know they are good.. :D

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Re: Front shock Spring replacment

Postby Johnyy Smoke » Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:15 pm

The rouge is right! I put them on my bike last summer-and as said before-the shocks are a little firmer-but the difference in road feel is night and day!
There seems to be some disscussion on what weight of oil to use.I used what the progressive instuction sheet said, 30 weight, I think.
You wont need as much fork oil either,so dont go by what the honda manual says.
No air is needed- I hooked up the fittings anyhow, just to have them.
You should be able to change them out while they are still on the bike, since you have allready done the seals.That is a good price-I paid $80 for mine.
Let us know how it turns out. Regards, Johnyy

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Re: Front shock Spring replacment

Postby littlebeaver » Wed Dec 12, 2012 2:15 pm

thank you RoadRogue and Johnyy Smoke I shall do just that...I can't wait because I think it's going to feel like a brand new motorcycle once I get these installed, new brakes and lines, new tires [spitfires.bridgestone] and I all ready have new shocks on the rear progressive 412's, and the dyna beads...Hummmm might be good...Or might be awesome.. :shock: :D

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Re: Front shock Spring replacment

Postby RoadRogue » Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:13 pm

You are going to fall in love with your bike all over again, I used 15wt fork oil in mine for good dampening (firm but not harsh) allows you to feel the road. 8-)
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Re: Front shock Spring replacment

Postby SteveB123 » Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:31 pm

Current:82 GL1100 Interstate, 60 Amp Poorboy, MSD coil
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Re: Front shock Spring replacment

Postby littlebeaver » Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:10 pm

Thanks Steve, I can use all the help I can get... :shock: :shock: :lol:

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Re: Front shock Spring replacment

Postby littlebeaver » Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:50 pm

Gosh darn it that was fast man, I was caught totally off guard this time....My Progressive front springs came in today and I'm shocked..Here's is how they look after opening the box up....
so why do I photograph something like this ? Or so much? Because I want you guys to see something neat, Males are visual creature's and we all love to see what something looks like, it connects the dots..Besides, I wouldn't be me if I didn't do something interesting or goofy...It will keep guys interested in stuff, and you will say to yourself What's that idiot doing now :lol: :lol: well good I hope you're saying that because you never know what I may doing next or document...I am considering making a tire stand out of Wood...Would you like to see that? If I don't hear at least one Yes on this I won't touch it but if one guys says yes ..It's on papa... :lol:

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Re: Front shock Spring replacment

Postby Johnyy Smoke » Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:59 pm

Nice shoes! Did they come with the springs? :lol:

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Re: Front shock Spring replacment

Postby wingit11 » Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:26 pm

You will love the difference Progressive shocks and springs will make. I have had them in my GL1100 for many years. Three years ago when I shattered my leg I needed my 1100 moved so had a friend that has the same bike ride it for me. He still had stock suspension. He could not believe the difference and immediately ordered the Progressive shock rebuild kit and springs for his own bike. Very happy with the setup. Reduced wallow in corners as well as more confidence in tight higher speed cornering. And the bike sat a little higher.

When you get it done you will have to let us know your first impressions.

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Re: Front shock Spring replacment

Postby RoadRogue » Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:53 pm

OK Martin ,I will bite.YES YES YES
Lets see your ideas. 8-)
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Re: Front shock Spring replacment

Postby littlebeaver » Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:30 pm

Well, there's that one guy, I think I'm going to do it....To read more about it read my post, My Tire Came in today ,,,in the chat section on this site in a few weeks to come..There I will document this and it will be interesting to see what I come up with because I don't even know yet..It should be funny looking for sure, hope I don't lose a finger or two. :lol: ...Might have photo's or videos too... :shock: First aid kit will be right there too.. :shock: :shock: Oh man..

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Re: Front shock Spring replacment

Postby goldminerusa » Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:37 pm

littlebeaver, i followed the link and came up with bikebandit.com. is that who you bought those from?

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Re: Front shock Spring replacment

Postby littlebeaver » Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:30 pm

I actually got the springs from another guy, but at around the same price..On Ebay .. :D I posted that page because it's the first one that I ran across to show the spring I got..

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Re: Front shock Spring replacment

Postby littlebeaver » Tue Jan 01, 2013 3:50 am

Hello everyone, as you guys know, I don't like doing things the hard way, I try to make things go as easy as possible for myself, I have not messed with the bike in a few weeks now, I just took a break from it with the Holidays and all... I have an idea that I wish to share with you guys... Everyone has their own method of doing this but I will document mine as I go with photo's maybe even a video...My ideas usually work...From what I read these progressive springs are a pain to get down into the shock and turn the cap on at the same time....I have a plan on making this procedure simple...I will tell you my plan...PVC. :shock: ..I plan on using PVC pipe [1 1/2"] about three foot long... :D I will custom cut a knotch out in the cover cap or end cap of the piping to fit the forks cap or the spring cap...then once I have the pvc cap knotched out and ready to place on the pipe I will place a small rag into the end of the pipe then glue the cap in place onto the pipe..ok now the fun part...I will mix some concrete up and drop it into the 3' pvc pipe and fill it, then I shall let it dry over night see the rag is so the concrete doesn't spill out the end...Now, once I need to press down the spring and turn the cap, the weight of the pipe will assist me and I can focus on turning the pipe and cap on straight rather than fight with it so much, I feel that I should just be able to press down with less force and turn...Now in the next coming week I will test my idea and if it works like I think it will then we shall have a new tool that we can make special just for this task....It makes perfect sense to me to use the weight to my advantage...We shall see... Cross threading is not an option...and will be unexceptable.. :shock: :lol: If it doesn't work so good I shall report that too.. But it might be just the tool guys have been wanting..No more losing your teeth from a flying caps... :lol: Shoot with these progressive springs down in there, can you imagine the force behind them when removing the caps after they have been installed...Man alive..this tool will cure any issues I think... :D All this tool is designed for is to start the caps threads and removing the caps..Hey I might just fill the pipe solid and flush at the bottom then knotch out for the cap, more solid that way...and I won't need a end cap...hummmm :lol:Or Or knotch it out and place in a small piece of wood into the knotch out,I gotta make sure the wood piece is oiled really well then pour it...remove the wood once it dries it should slide right off......Yeah, that's what I'll do.. :lol: Sounds like fun.. We shall call this tool a Littlebeaver Special Cap Removing tool... :lol: :lol:

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Re: Front shock Spring replacment

Postby Johnyy Smoke » Tue Jan 01, 2013 6:54 am

I slipped the shock in a vice,cut a notch in a 2" piece of wood, leaned over and screwed it on.It wasnt really that difficult.Regards, Johnyy

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Re: Front shock Spring replacment

Postby littlebeaver » Tue Jan 01, 2013 12:41 pm

Oh really Johnyy wow, I was reading about this poor soul over on the SS site and how him and a friend spent 45 minutes trying to push that sucker down and spin the cap on...He made it sound very difficult, I have installed the springs before but they were the stock one's and it wasn't hard at all in place, but not progressives. ...My plan is to install the spring with the shock in place on the bike...I'm going to suck out the fork oil with my shop vac and a special hose and replace it, pull out old spring and place in new and never removing the fork from the bike, I just replaced parts and seals and such not all that long ago so I feel no need to pull it....

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Re: Front shock Spring replacment

Postby Baunix63 » Tue Jan 01, 2013 3:50 pm

Howdy from Germany,
the time you still needed to write about changing the stock springs to progressive ones, is the time I would need to take off the fairing, handlebar and change the springs....
It i'snt as difficult as you think.
Yust mention to jack up the bike at the front so the fork is as long as possible.
I just need an 17 mm wrench and a small towell to screw the tips of the fork in.
Hope I found the correct expressions in english 8-)

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Re: Front shock Spring replacment

Postby RoadRogue » Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:35 am

Baunix63 is absolutly right. it isnt that hard to put the caps back on. I just used an oversized socket on the end of a 12" extension and a T-handle to turn them on.I compressed them using only my upper body weight and strength, piece of cake really. 8-)
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Re: Front shock Spring replacment

Postby littlebeaver » Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:33 am

Ok, I shall see just how it goes...I can't wait, I have new shocks on the rear and now new tires and they even match :shock: and now I'm going to have new front springs, my goodness, extra power from my alternator, an extra alternator...2013 watch out because I'm going to be putting some miles on that sucker..Hey Todd, did you put the caps on with the fork on the tree or did you take it off like Johnyy did? I wanted to put it in place on the tree..I wonder why this guy had such a hard time with them...? Maybe he wasn't holding his mouth right.. :lol:

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Re: Front shock Spring replacment

Postby RoadRogue » Wed Jan 02, 2013 3:47 pm

I have done it both ways, on and off the bike. The best piece of advice I can offer is to mark the point where the threads start to engage with out the spring in place first, that way you run less risk in cross threading them. There is some pressure required to get the caps on but nothing a big guy like you cant handle. Make sure the jack under the engine that is holding the front wheel in the air is set solid and have your windshield off to give you room to get your weight over the forks. 8-)
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Re: Front shock Spring replacment

Postby littlebeaver » Wed Jan 02, 2013 5:43 pm

Yeah the thread idea is a great tip for sure, I shall do as instructed, I got the rear wheel back on this morning but I didn't feel so good so I stopped...I have no energy these days for some reason..I can see how it would be easy doing it Johnyy's way too, either way it shall get done....




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