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GL1100 Timing Belts

Postby fr1tz » Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:27 pm



Hey Ya'll I've been shopping around for timing belts and can 't beleave the difference in prices #1-------- Honda OEM $60.00 each
#2 Local cycle supply $52.95 each
#3 NAPA Auto parts $22.46 each

can some body tell me what I'am missing here ? I'am almost afraid to buy them, you know what they say if it seems to good to be true it probably is 'HELP' fr1tz


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Re: GL1100 Timing Belts

Postby WingAdmin » Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:43 pm

The NAPA belts are perfectly fine, they just don't have the Honda markup applied. :)

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Re: GL1100 Timing Belts

Postby Oddbirdwithbrokewing » Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:53 pm

Try http://cascadecycle.com/newhondaparts.htm for GatesT274 best price

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Re: GL1100 Timing Belts

Postby RoadRogue » Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:54 pm

I use Gates belts from NAPA myself. They are as good as it gets. 8-)
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Re: GL1100 Timing Belts

Postby littlebeaver » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:29 am

Wow mine were like $25.00 each from Napa.... :shock: Perfect fit..

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Re: GL1100 Timing Belts

Postby RhinoWing » Tue Jan 15, 2013 4:10 am

Hi All, is there a "How To" for replacing timing belts for '81 GL1100. looked evrywhere but could not find.
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Re: GL1100 Timing Belts

Postby doctorpaul » Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:47 am

$28.99 ea from O'Reilly's for Gates T274 timing belts.
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Re: GL1100 Timing Belts

Postby NKYWinger » Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:46 am

^^^^^What they all said about Gates belts from NAPA - IMHO, they are just as good as the ones from Mother Honda........at 1/2 the price......
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Re: GL1100 Timing Belts

Postby littlebeaver » Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:22 pm

I didn't see one either...The idea when changing you're belts is to make things as simple as possible, I was scared to death to do mine when I first changed them, I was afraid i'd screw something up for sure, I thought a real mechanic should do this not me..I have a system down that has proven to me to be fast and easy as pie and accurate too...I know because I test everything with a timing light and it's spot on once I'm finished.. I have a way that keeps both you're cam pulleys from moving while you change out your belts..Simple process..A caveman can do it..First things first..You will need two 19mm sockets, two small or large welders clamps, c-clamps might work but I use welders clamps...This is my procedure, follow it if you want, it's easy...One thing I do..feel the tension after you remove the covers one should be tighter than the other, take a note of that.. and try to get the tension on you're new belt the same once you get them on..OK....then
1. remove the radiator
2. remove the timing covers
3. remove the timing sight cap on top of engine to view the crank marks
4. remove the bolt cover to crank on the rear of engine to access crank
5. use 12mm socket and wratchet to turn crank and set it on T-1 and make sure up reads up on the pulley and be sure to turn the cranks bolt up when you turn it, never down. You don't want to loosen that bolt..
6. check timing marks to the side marks on your pullies and confirm they are spot on..
7. If everything is on it's mark, paint a reference mark with white paint on the cranks pulley shaft and the engines case so that you know where TDC is just by looking at that mark [3 oclock] or where you can see it..
8. remove both valve covers, you're going to check your clearances later anywhay and you need them off to use you're clamps
9. insert sockets into holes and clamp them down but insert the new belts into the clamps before you clamp them down.
10. loosen bolts on both tensioners but just just enough to get the belt off and remove the belts, now the new belts can be slid into place and installed.. make sure the crank is on the ref. mark you made and didn't move off that mark, I clamped my crank bolt with a long set of vise grip clamps but you shouldn't have to...You're belt should go on with zero issues..You're marks will be as they were before, get the tension like it was before...Now remove the sockets and clamps, rotate the crank 180 degree's and check the tension, now rotate it back where it was and double check you're marks,, no way its wrong if it was right when you started because nothing moved from its original spot. :D .
clamp a 19mm socket in the hole, won't hurt anything, it's just hold it in place..I don't have my belt in the clamp in this photo, you should place in new belt before you clamp it off
clamp a 19mm socket in the hole, won't hurt anything, it's just hold it in place..I don't have my belt in the clamp in this photo, you should place in new belt before you clamp it off
small welders clamp,
small welders clamp,
I clamp of the crank bolt from moving, be sure you paint the ref mark were you can easily see it, 3 oclock is good...
I clamp of the crank bolt from moving, be sure you paint the ref mark were you can easily see it, 3 oclock is good...
long clamp I use to hold the crank bolt in place from moving..I clamp it to the frame, don't really need it, just make sure the ref. mark is spot on
long clamp I use to hold the crank bolt in place from moving..I clamp it to the frame, don't really need it, just make sure the ref. mark is spot on
Now you can do it this way if you want to, it's the way I do mine, Octane has a great write up on changing timing belts on the Steve Saunders site..Or the NGW site..I would never say mine is better or anything like that.. :D

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Re: GL1100 Timing Belts

Postby fr1tz » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:01 pm

Hey littlebeaver thanks for the procedure I never done this before but I have one question wouldn't it be better to pull the spark plugs before you start this job ???? fritz
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Re: GL1100 Timing Belts

Postby littlebeaver » Tue Jan 15, 2013 4:30 pm

fr1tz wrote:Hey littlebeaver thanks for the procedure I never done this before but I have one question wouldn't it be better to pull the spark plugs before you start this job ???? fritz

Yes it will make the turning of the crank much easier but it's not totally necessary but it would be a little harder to turn the crank with the plugs in place...Remove them for sure..Place some paper towels or something in the cavity too, don't want anything dropping into that hole..I actually wrote this up once before on here, on that post I didn't forget to mention removing the plugs but I plumb forgot about it this time..Ooops..Pleasee don't beat me up ok... :lol: doing it like this is about impossible to get a tooth off like so many seem to do..nothing moves...Good luck..Again you might be better off doing this the way Octane says to on the Saunder's site,, he has a well written write up and his procedure is done by a professional mechanic not a half ass one like me... :D ..

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Re: GL1100 Timing Belts

Postby littlebeaver » Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:20 pm

Hey Fritz there's one more mistake I made, When you pull the radiator you should paint your mark at 12 o'clock not 3 oclock like I wrote, I said 3'clock because the last time I changed my belts I had left my radiator in place and 3'clock is where you would havve to put the paint mark when you leave it in place.. .... If this is you're first go at it, I would suggest you pull it, much easier that way..

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Re: GL1100 Timing Belts

Postby RhinoWing » Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:42 am

Hello LittleBeaver, Thanks for the prompt response. Seems a very easy procedure for a first timer and also gives one a chance to do oter procedures all in one. I have been following the "secret santa" saga for the last few days and have thoroughly enjoyed it. Thanks to you for being such a great sport and to your "friends" for adding the extra. I do admit that i was stumped as well as to who was the giver of the beautiful belt buckle. (so envious).

P.S. are you OK? the reason i ask is 'cos i see Erik Estrada standing at your ride in your new profile pic :o what has C.H.i.P s done to you? LOL

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Re: GL1100 Timing Belts

Postby littlebeaver » Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:30 am

Sorry about being so silly all the time fella's I know I can be a bit annoying at times...Fritz I am so sorry man, I was actually thinking that you asked the question on the how to...I'm such an idiot :shock: It was Rhino Wing that asked the question :shock: .... Hey Rhino read everything you can first about changing them, look at all the write ups.. everyone may have a different way to do it.. WingAdmin. was going to post a How Too but his 1100 somehow got sold off,, it was a sad day for me on that day... :lol: when I was a youngster I couldn't wait to see Chips, and Bronson too..Loved the adventure in those shows.. they should make a new chips show man..Modern day ya know.. :D You know if it wasn't for those shows I probably wouldn't be riding today, well and my brother having all his bikes didn't help matters.. :shock:

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Re: GL1100 Timing Belts

Postby RhinoWing » Wed Jan 16, 2013 7:02 am

Hey LittleBeaver, don't worry your head about it.........you being so busy beating up spammer......and then still having a starring role in an online movie. :D


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Re: GL1100 Timing Belts

Postby wjnfirearms » Wed Jan 16, 2013 7:35 am

There's another way to hold the pulley from moving once the belts are loosened. This was suggested by Octane in his GL1000 tutorial and when I changed mine, I did this. It works flawlessly. Now, it you don't have a crash guard to wire tie the wrench to, the body shop vise grips may be the only real way to go.
And as to the belts, Gates from Carquest, two for $36.

Octane's tutorial on the Saunders board is one excellent tutorial. Now, he specified that it was written for a '77 GL 1000, so I cannot say for sure that it would also apply for an 1100. Still, it should give one a good idea on how the general procedure goes and the pictures are very clear and helpful. With me having a '77 and never doing timing belts before, it was invaluable in my first attempt at changing the belts.
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Re: GL1100 Timing Belts

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Re: GL1100 Timing Belts

Postby RBGERSON » Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:31 am

HAD LOTS OF GOLDWING 75-83
NOW INTO 1500'S..RIDING A 1998 SE

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Re: GL1100 Timing Belts

Postby littlebeaver » Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:03 pm

those are all great write ups as I said but...I remove both my belts at once and put both belts back on in about two or three minutes max doing it this way.. :shock: :shock: just saying ha ha ha...And nothing moves from its original point from the time you clamp them off, its simple and fast and accurate and there's no way you can mess up....If you do it this way just loosen the tensioner just enough to slip off the old belt, being the new belts are waiting in the clamps once you slip it off the new belt slips right back on just as simple as pie.. But you probably should follow Octane's procedure.. :D Those that doubt my words have never tried it.. :lol: :lol: I promise you that...

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Re: GL1100 Timing Belts

Postby littlebeaver » Wed Jan 16, 2013 3:45 pm

RhinoWing wrote:Hello LittleBeaver, Thanks for the prompt response. Seems a very easy procedure for a first timer and also gives one a chance to do oter procedures all in one. I have been following the "secret santa" saga for the last few days and have thoroughly enjoyed it. Thanks to you for being such a great sport and to your "friends" for adding the extra. I do admit that i was stumped as well as to who was the giver of the beautiful belt buckle. (so envious).

P.S. are you OK? the reason i ask is 'cos i see Erik Estrada standing at your ride in your new profile pic :o what has C.H.i.P s done to you? LOL

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Hey Kevin, don't tell them but I plan on picking them off one at a time for this torture thing they did to me, freakin guy's...Ringleader is going to get it big time..Now on the belts...Which ever way you decide on I'm sure your task will come through fine...the main thing is making sure the marks are the same on both sides as they were when you started.. :D Once you get the belts on you can loosen the tensionor and let the spring tighten the belt, this is where you want to try and get the same tension as you had before, see when you rotate the pullies at 180 degree's the opposite side will be tighter than what it was when you for started at T-1, You should feel the tension and make sure its not too tight then rotate it back to the T-1 position and reclamp and make your adjustments to the tensioners..this is a fine art..It's a balancing act... don't get either belt too tight, you will see what I'm talking about once you start.. Not too tight or too loose on either belt is all I'm saying and you what the tension to be correct.. Follow Octanes procedures....

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Re: GL1100 Timing Belts

Postby WingAdmin » Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:51 pm

littlebeaver wrote:WingAdmin. was going to post a How Too but his 1100 somehow got sold off,, it was a sad day for me on that day... :lol: when I was a youngster I couldn't wait to see Chips, and Bronson too..Loved the adventure in those shows.. they should make a new chips show man..Modern day ya know.. :D You know if it wasn't for those shows I probably wouldn't be riding today, well and my brother having all his bikes didn't help matters.. :shock:


I still do expect to do one... :) I've got all the pictures for the disassembly, and I still have a GL1100 engine to change the belts on to take pictures of. The lacking item is TIME - it's in short supply lately!

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Re: GL1100 Timing Belts

Postby littlebeaver » Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:51 pm

I sat there one afternoon with the covers off the bike when I was doing the belts a long while ago and I just sat there and looked and thought and looked and thought some more and I was determined to come up with a different way to place these belts in,,,finally it hit me, as I stared at the holes I said to myself I wonder if a socket would fit that hole, sure enough a 19mm socket fit perfectly, now being a carpenter for some time we always used small welders clamps to lock stuff down so I thought hey what if I remove the valve cover I could clamp both pullies in place and nothing will move...Cool.. This way the marks stay in their spot and all I would have to do is loosen the tension just enough to pull the belts off, now the new ones go on just as fast as the old ones come off, try it if you don't believe me..I created this method because I was scared to death to change them.. :D People are always afraid to try something different from what they know...I find that interesting..One guy tried it on here and said it worked great for him..Both ways are good I am not saying mine is better but I will never do it any other way...

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Re: GL1100 Timing Belts

Postby RhinoWing » Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:44 am

Hello LittleBeaver,Thanks very much for all the info. My bike is going fine at the moment, but i'm just collecting info so that when i need to do something i have all the info at hand. The more procedures and experiences i read up on helps to ease the fear of doing it for the first time, but most importantly it gives me a chance to interact on this forum. :) :D

I hear WingAdmin speaking about lack of time. I was thinking he must be superhuman or something..........having to manage this huge site and hold down a steady job..........not to mention seeing to a family. I can just imaging him flying on his 1500.....cape with the Goldwing crest flapping in the wind behind him......from his office to his home to be in time to see if no one is messing up on this site. ;) 8-)

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Re: GL1100 Timing Belts

Postby littlebeaver » Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:16 am

Hey Fr1tz did you find yourself some belts sir? You guys know there's nothing like a good video of someone performing this task don't ya..Maybe WingAdmin will do this for us...If he don't have the time I think we all understand,,,you never know what I might do next :shock: ...just saying....My last video was kinda sucky, my wife taped it and parts of it was up side down but now I have my helmet cam set up and a much better camera.. I bet it wouldn't take me a lot of time to make a recording to help someone out..I might make one of the timing procedure too..Maybe checking the vacuum advance :shock:...Or maybe removing the PG..video..swingarm ect. oh man I best shut up now.. :lol:

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Re: GL1100 Timing Belts

Postby fr1tz » Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:43 am

Thank you gentlemen I picked up a set of belts (Gates) from NAPA yesterday for $47. and some change, I'am just gathering up parts so that in the next month or two I'll be changing the timing belts, adjusting valves intake and exhaust, change oil, install Randakk oil filter (spin-on) adapter,gonna change my swing arm bearings, and also front wheel bearings. I better check the triple tree bearings because of the 4 1/2 degree rake puts more presure on those bearings. all this so that when I retire June 30th I can plan on a long ride some place away from "Ohio" again thanks for the info - fr1tz


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