wing won'[t crank


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wing won'[t crank

Postby s10hornet » Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:53 pm



Just put an 83 motor in my 82 wing. everything seems to be in order. all the lights, instruments and horn work. When I first put the motor in and hit the start button it turned over slowly. the bike had been sitting a while so I attributed it to a weak battery. charged the battery tried again and it turned over even more slowly. The starter on the current motor came off my old motor and was working fine. Tested the old battery and it was pretty much gone. Bought a new battery.

Now when I hit the start button only one click from the solenoid and nothing else.

I should probably mention that I changed the timing belts before installing the motor and the cam marks did not line up when the motor was at top dead center. I made sure they were aligned properly when I installed the new belts. Motor turned over by hand as it should have, or so it seemed to me.

Anybody got any suggestions?



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Re: wing won'[t crank

Postby virgilmobile » Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:33 pm

2 Possibities.Either the motor won't turn over or the starting system has failed.

Test 1.remove all 4 plugs,put the bike in 5th gear and try to roll it over with the rear wheel.
If it turns OK.... on to the electric.With the plugs still out,bump the starter.Will it turn?

If not,probe he stud on the starter for 12 volts as you trying to crank it.What happens???

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Re: wing won'[t crank

Postby p1fire » Sat Apr 13, 2013 7:57 pm

what happens if you bump the starter with the plugs out and it turns over but with the plugs in it wont? it it hits one little turn and gets to hot to keep jumper cables on starter terminal questions with the starter out and in hand should the starter shaft spin freely or be tough to spin? thanks Phil I need help with this it has me stumped I had the solenoid bench tested they said it was good I DONT KNOW

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Re: wing won'[t crank

Postby virgilmobile » Sat Apr 13, 2013 9:13 pm

You may be chasing a ghost.
The starter output shaft has a gear reduction inside.It's very hard to turn it.
Cranking the engine with the plugs in takes a lot of power.Enough to get the end of a jumper cable very hot.That's the reason the bike has very short cables and are bolted solid.
It sounds like you have a dead bike battery Or no battery and are using jumper cables to crank it.That usually dosen't work well.You really need to get some kind of a battery bolted right to the bike's cables.
During testing,I "borrowed" the lawn mower battery and set it on the passenger foot rest.
Jumper cables are seldom large enough to provide enough power to crank even a bike with a dead battery.It's gotta have some Power in it.That's why there called booster cables.there not starter cables.The wire inside is too small and usually too long.
The bikes cables are no more than 3' total and are probably a # 0 wire.
I'll bet the jumpers are total 12' long and a #10 at best.

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Re: wing won'[t crank

Postby s10hornet » Thu Apr 18, 2013 6:06 am

virgilmobile your advice was dead on. the engine turned and there was 12 volts to the starter. I had a spare starter that was bad so I took it apart,
cleaned it all up and changed the brushes. Bingo, problem solved. Bike started up just like it should. thanks for the advice.

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Re: wing won'[t crank

Postby virgilmobile » Thu Apr 18, 2013 6:38 am

Good job well done.We learn something new every day.

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Re: wing won'[t crank

Postby dondons1984 » Sat May 04, 2013 11:36 pm

I am having a similar issue. I dont know how to bench test though. I am very GREEN on this topic and dont want to fry anything. My solenoid only clicks when I go to start it and I dont know what is up.

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Re: wing won'[t crank

Postby virgilmobile » Sun May 05, 2013 11:04 am

You need some kind of volt meter.A test light is OK but can't indicate low voltage.
Test 1...with the meter attached to the engine and the post at the starter,push the start button.
If it won't crank and the volts are more than 11 volts,the engine is either locked up(hydro lock) or the starter is dead.
If the volts are below 9, move the meter from the starter to the battery and push the start button again.
If it stays above 11 volts,the start solenoid may be bad,you can jump the solenoid terminals with a screwdriver momentarily to try to crank it.
If the battery falls low,below 9 volts,check the acid level and charge it.

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Re: wing won'[t crank

Postby dondons1984 » Tue May 07, 2013 12:23 pm

I will do this today when I get home. I have to make sure I'm not hydro locked. I have a spare solenoid just in case and bushing plate with bushings so if I need to rebuild the starter its here. Also going to check everything with my voltimeter and see what I get. I may make a video and post it on YouTube so everyone can see. I need to ride since gas is expensive and bike is gathering dust.

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Re: wing won'[t crank

Postby dondons1984 » Wed May 08, 2013 12:13 am

OK so update. Motorcycle turned over and started for a little! Shut it off cause I have headers removed on side. Discovered I had a bad starter connection and fixed it. Did a rebuild on it and it works like w charm. Biggest part for me is just making sure I got everything mounted right. Thanks guys for the help




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