Oil Aditive and cooling system


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Oil Aditive and cooling system

Postby bykerbiker » Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:35 am



Hi Guys ,have a question regarding the clutch on gl1100 Interstate , is there any metal to metal contact in the clutch or are the clutch plates of a different material .The reason I ask I use a oil additive called ACTIV8 which I have used over the years with excellent results,using in a wet clutch is not recommended if there is metal to metal contact . Not ever having to renew the clutch on any of my bikes or cars I'm not sure of the composition of the clutch plates.
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Re: Oil Aditive and cooling system

Postby eklimek » Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:16 pm

Might I suggest the following discussion of oil additives?

http://www.vtr.org/maintain/oil-additives.shtml

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Re: Oil Aditive and cooling system

Postby themainviking » Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:31 pm

It has always been my belief and the belief of all engine oil manufacturers that additives not only are not necessary, but they also detract from the oil formulations that are in your lubricant. A search for reviews of Activ8 online that were not actually done by the company that produces Activ8 turned up the following:

""A number of ‘add-on’ additives intended to improve the performance of commercially available automotive lubricants have been marketed in recent years, under such names as ‘Xxtralube ZX-1’, ‘Metol FX-1’, ‘PPL Anti-Friction’ and ‘Activ-8’.All such products share the following characteristics with ‘X-1R Friction Eliminator’:-

1) They all contain chlorinated paraffin ‘exteme pressure’(EP) compounds first used in the 1930s in heavily-loaded industrial gearboxes, and in some automotive transmission applications, mainly hypoid gears.

2) They all corrode copper-based alloys at moderate temperatures, easily exceeded in all engine, and most transmission applications.This problem was recognised in the 1930s, and chlorinated compounds were never used in transmissions with bronze bearings or gears. No responsible manufacturer ever suggested using them in engines where their increasing activity at high temperatures could lead to piston ring corrosion and bore glazing. (For the same reason, modern ‘hypoid’ additives are not used in engines, even though they are much safer than any chlorinated additive.)

3) X-1R Friction Eliminator and its clones are based upon very outdated technology, which was abandoned by responsible lubricant manufacturers for automotive transmission uses in the 1950s. Chlorinated compounds still find applications in metal working, but their use is on the decline because of health and safety considerations.

4) When burnt, chlorinated paraffins produce corrosive hydrochloric acid, and organo-chlorine compounds including the highly poisonous phosgene gas. Apart from these corrosion and health hazards, with petrol engines the deactivation of exhaust catalysts is also a problem.

5) Unfortunately, these additives give spectacular results in simple EP test machines such as the ‘Falex’. As a marketing ploy, a demonstration of this type looks impressive to those not aquainted with the above facts. Also attractive is the low cost of chlorinated compounds, allowing profits of several thousand percent to be made.""

As I did not perform tests on Activ8, I cannot say if the above is factual or not. I would not use it, but others may obtain a different outlook than I did from the above. As some of the plates in your clutch are metal, it would stand to reason that Activ8 would coat these parts, and make the clutch less efficient in operation. Your guess is as good as mine.
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Re: Oil Aditive and cooling system

Postby bykerbiker » Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:12 am

Hi guys my question was really about the clutch plates whether the are any metal to metal contacts ?
Thanks for all the other information




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