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Spline grease

Postby dekare » Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:03 pm



I filled what I would call the rear spline on my '82 Gold Wing Interstate with regular grease that one would use to grease the suspension on a car. I understand I should have used a Moly and picked some up from my Honda dealer. My question now is what kind of a mess have I created? Is in imperative I take the whole thing apart and get that grease out, or simply pump in the Moly? I have not used it since I lubed it.



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Re: Spline grease

Postby Wilcoy02 » Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:04 pm

Once it warms up You'll have grease running out the bottom and all over the place. The molly grease stays put and does not create a whopping mess.

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Re: Spline grease

Postby dekare » Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:22 pm

Follow-up: I put on probably 50-60 miles today at full temperature of course and had nothing of the sort of mess that was predicted. I didn't feel like pulling off the rear wheel and cleaning the "low temp" grease out. Instead I pumped moly grease, the correct product from Honda on top of it.

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Re: Spline grease

Postby RBGERSON » Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:13 am

well the molly probably won't get to the gears correctly it won't hurt anything right away but your gears will probably wear faster over time. But the real splines there is no way to pump grease in; the wheel has to pulled the splines cleaned and then molly reapplied..from what you said it sounds like you are just greasing the drive shaft "splines"
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Re: Spline grease

Postby dekare » Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:04 am

Drive shaft splines is correct. Does that change anything to your reply?

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Re: Spline grease

Postby Wingsconsin » Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:06 am

I am confused..
IF you are talking about the final drive flange splines that mate with the final drive..
Then these require MOLY ...I do not know how you are pumping MOLY into that spot..
It needs to be manually spread onto the gearing of both mating surfaces...


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Re: Spline grease

Postby dekare » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:27 am

Thanks for the pic! Circled in red is the fitting I greased. The pic shows the part taken apart. Mine is fully attached to the cycle, and has never been taken apart, at least not by me.It contains a healthy dose of chassis grease and than an oops!, healthy dose of Honda moly paste (I guess they call it.)

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Re: Spline grease

Postby Wingsconsin » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:41 am

The gears inside the flange and the gears on the final drive require MOLY.
Premature wear occurs and they become very worn quickly if not..
We replaceed the flange part on our current GL1100 I as it was worn badly from a previous owners neglect.
We found on eBay a flange with 16,900 miles on it...about $125 later .... :?
But if the are allowed to wear..the final drive is even more expensive...
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Re: Spline grease

Postby Rockydog » Sat Jul 20, 2013 8:23 am

Hi, I have used Lucas Oil brand Red N Tacky Grease on the splines of my 'Wing, works well !!

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Re: Spline grease

Postby WingAdmin » Thu Aug 01, 2013 11:00 pm

Rockydog wrote:Hi, I have used Lucas Oil brand Red N Tacky Grease on the splines of my 'Wing, works well !!


It won't "work well" for very long. Once it is squeezed out from between the splined teeth after a few thousand miles, there will be nothing left behind to lubricate them, and they will wear quickly - and you will be looking to find a replacement final drive.

The reason Moly grease is specified, is because when the carrier grease is squeezed out from between the splined teeth, the Moly remains to provide lubrication. Any other non-high-Moly grease will NOT do this, and the end result will be worn/destroyed splines.

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Re: Spline grease

Postby cbx4evr » Thu Aug 01, 2013 11:17 pm

This is almost one of those flogging a dead horse things. Other greases will provide initial lubrication. Eventually the forces applied will cause them to break down and you will have metal on metal which doesn't last long in these conditions. Honda specified the grease to use to actually save you a break down and money. Use it AND apply it properly and you'll have a happy life and a fatter wallet. Like they used to say; " you can pay me now or you can PAY me later".
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Re: Spline grease

Postby SteveB123 » Fri Aug 02, 2013 6:42 am

...at least on this board.
Other boards swear by marine bearing grease.
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Re: Spline grease

Postby cbx4evr » Fri Aug 02, 2013 8:06 am

Marine grease is designed for bearings that may be submerged in water. My Goldwing hasn't experienced that - yet.

I read this on an ST1300 forum. Explains it well I think. In the end you use what you want.

FYI, some dealers & mechanics assume that moly assembly lube (having only a few % moly disulfied, and a low temperature carrier 'grease') is equivalent to moly paste. Not true. Moly paste does not lose any appreciable amount of it's properties up to maybe 600 deg F because of both the moly disulfide properties and its relatively low fraction of the carrier 'grease'. Lithium doesn't provide the same properties as moly...it is has a lower temperature and lower load rating, and generally degrades quicker IIRC.

There is a difference between a CV joint (like splines) and a roller bearing. Specifically a CV joint or spline does not have flow or relative movement of parts, but a bearing does. In a spline, the same mating surfaces always stay together. In a bearing, the balls & races move relative to each other and there is continuous flow and blending of lubricant and air. So a little grease haphazardly applied in a bearing gets spread to the friction surfaces. But in a spline the initial lubrication of each mating surface is all that the mating surface ever sees. Hence, the flowing properties of the grease or paste matters--when using a paste it is assumed that it is properly lubricated on every friction surface during assembly, and that the lubrication (paste) stays in place during the entire service life.
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Re: Spline grease

Postby Rockydog » Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:03 am

WingAdmin wrote:
Rockydog wrote:Hi, I have used Lucas Oil brand Red N Tacky Grease on the splines of my 'Wing, works well !!


It won't "work well" for very long. Once it is squeezed out from between the splined teeth after a few thousand miles, there will be nothing left behind to lubricate them, and they will wear quickly - and you will be looking to find a replacement final drive.

The reason Moly grease is specified, is because when the carrier grease is squeezed out from between the splined teeth, the Moly remains to provide lubrication. Any other non-high-Moly grease will NOT do this, and the end result will be worn/destroyed splines.

Thank you for the information ,guess I will be removing the rear wheel and fixing my mistake. :(

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Re: Spline grease

Postby Oldbear » Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:35 pm

And watch for the % of Moly in the paste - we have 40% and 60% here at work - I have something +60% at home. The higher the better. And the higher the cost - but very worth it to not have to replace your final drive.
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Re: Spline grease

Postby WingAdmin » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:37 pm

Oldbear wrote:And watch for the % of Moly in the paste - we have 40% and 60% here at work - I have something +60% at home. The higher the better. And the higher the cost - but very worth it to not have to replace your final drive.


The easiest is to just use the genuine Honda Moly paste, then you know you've got the right thing in there. It's not very expensive, and this little tube lasts a very long time.


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Re: Spline grease

Postby dekare » Sat Aug 03, 2013 7:14 am

The easiest is to just use the genuine Honda Moly paste, then you know you've got the right thing in there. It's not very expensive, and this little tube lasts a very long time.

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So how do you know when you've added enough? I could have pumped the whole tube in mine.

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Re: Spline grease

Postby RBGERSON » Sat Aug 03, 2013 7:44 am

You can't know it's not meant to be pumped in there..should be spread on with youir finger or a brush..I like fingers less waste. The rear wheel spline gets the moly, the drive shaft it's not required if I remember correctly..could be wrong on this but either way moly has to applied by hand.
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Re: Spline grease

Postby cbx4evr » Sat Aug 03, 2013 9:52 am

Here is a very good article about the rear drive of early Goldwings by Mike Nixon. If you know anything about Mike Nixon you will know that he is leading authority on Honda motorcycles.

I learned a lot I didn't know reading this article.

http://www.motorcycleproject.com/motorc ... _drive.swf
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Re: Spline grease

Postby cbx4evr » Sat Aug 03, 2013 9:54 am

I have found using those small brushes that you buy for applying soldering paste work really well for lubing the splines. You don't need to put gobs and gobs of grease in there. An even coating is all that is required. More doesn't mean better.


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