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Whoops! Ruined threads in front cover, any ideas?

Postby IAAustin » Sun Aug 18, 2013 8:35 pm



So today I did my oil change and thought all was going well. When it came time to get the filter back on however I had one heck of a time trying to get the oil filter bolt started. Backed off and took a look and the female threaded case side seems to have damaged threading. I'm thinking a tap is my best bet, but wanted to see if anyone had an opinion or maybe even some experience with this issue. Also, do you know the thread specs for the die, and does anyone sell the spin-on filter adapter, and if so how much? Thanks in advance for the help!



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Re: Whoops! Ruined threads in front cover, any ideas?

Postby roadwanderer2 » Sun Aug 18, 2013 8:42 pm

hey austin:

your best bet to find out what thread size and pitch it is, take the male filter bolt to your local napa auto parts store or an "ace hardware" store, ask them to check what size and pitch it is on their "thread size guide". they usually have a stationary board with nuts and thread bores that tells them what size a perticular nut and or bolt is, as for your 2nd question....you might be able to find on on ebay.

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Re: Whoops! Ruined threads in front cover, any ideas?

Postby SteveB123 » Sun Aug 18, 2013 8:49 pm

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Re: Whoops! Ruined threads in front cover, any ideas?

Postby roadwanderer2 » Sun Aug 18, 2013 9:06 pm

steveB:

thats a nice idea, if your budget allows it. personally, i'd rather just take the bolt to the store, find out what size it is and get a tap and retap the thread hole..........austin, if your gonna do it this way, use caution on how far into the bore you make the threads. you dont want to go too deep, put some oil onto the bolt and run the bolt into the new threads slowly, make sure you remove ALL of the thread shavingsas you dont want any of them getting into the motor from the oil passageways, and dont force it in. at the first sign that its jamming up, remove it and start over again.

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Re: Whoops! Ruined threads in front cover, any ideas?

Postby SteveB123 » Sun Aug 18, 2013 9:20 pm

roadwanderer2 wrote:steveB:

thats a nice idea, if your budget allows it. personally, i'd rather just ....


The reply was for the OP, who specifically asked about a spin-on adapter.

Pretty sure the bolt thread is 20X1.5.


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Re: Whoops! Ruined threads in front cover, any ideas?

Postby David-Mantle » Sun Aug 18, 2013 11:44 pm

I also stripped the thread on my drain bolt last year. Took the cover off and took it to a local engineering shop. For £10 he inserted a heli-coil thread insert. :ugeek:
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Re: Whoops! Ruined threads in front cover, any ideas?

Postby roadwanderer2 » Mon Aug 19, 2013 5:58 am

steveB:

i think we got our messages crossed, i answered austin's question, and was mearly commenting on your thoughts about an oil filter adapter. anyway, no harm, no foul. not to worry. and i think your right about the bolt thread size.......david-mantle, how did that heli-coil work out for you, did you have any problems with it?

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Re: Whoops! Ruined threads in front cover, any ideas?

Postby David-Mantle » Mon Aug 19, 2013 10:31 am

roadwanderer2 wrote:steveB:

.......david-mantle, how did that heli-coil work out for you, did you have any problems with it?

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No problems with heli-coil. I have had the bolt out a few times since repaired ( oil changes and stuff ) and it is still oil tight . Main thing is to make sure you use a good new copper washer as a seal and that it is annealed before use.
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Re: Whoops! Ruined threads in front cover, any ideas?

Postby roadwanderer2 » Mon Aug 19, 2013 11:23 am

glad to hear the heli-coil worked out for you. personally, i dont like the idea of an "external" oil filter on these bikes or any other bike. i would think they are subject to much engine vibrations to the point it could turn itself out and loose all the motor oil thus ending up with a burned out engine........but thats just my opinion.

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Re: Whoops! Ruined threads in front cover, any ideas?

Postby IAAustin » Mon Aug 19, 2013 8:54 pm

Thanks to everyone who took time to reply, I've now got some good ideas on where to go next. I will post my (hopfully) success story Wednesday as I'll be off work for a tooth extraction :cry:
,but atleast it's time off to get back working on the bike. As for the spin-on kit, the price scared me away. Would be different if there were major savings on the filter, but they're about the same price anyway.

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Re: Whoops! Ruined threads in front cover, any ideas?

Postby roadwanderer2 » Tue Aug 20, 2013 5:53 pm

austin:

i took a look at that spin-off filter adapter on ebay, and your right about the price, and for the money, it dosent make any sense to me to purchase that PLUS an oil filter. if you look around on ebay, or, go to an "advance auto parts store" you can get a filter for around 5 bucks. its a fram filter, part # CH6009. and if you are a veteran and have a va patient id card or anything else showing that your a veteran, (even your DD214), you show it to them and you'll get a 10% discount on anything in the store. i use mine everywhere i can to get a discount, and trust me, it adds up. including lowe's, home depot etc etc.

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Re: Whoops! Ruined threads in front cover, any ideas?

Postby IAAustin » Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:57 am

Well so far I haven't had time to work on it, but after seeing Stuart's previous post I wanted to thank him, all the vets on this forum and everywhere who were willing to make the ultimate sacrifice for our way of living. The discount you are talking about Stuart is well deserved, and honestly in my opinion will never be enough. Thank You! Will hopefully get back on the bike sometime today.

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Re: Whoops! Ruined threads in front cover, any ideas?

Postby WingAdmin » Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:52 pm

roadwanderer2 wrote:austin:

i took a look at that spin-off filter adapter on ebay, and your right about the price, and for the money, it dosent make any sense to me to purchase that PLUS an oil filter. if you look around on ebay, or, go to an "advance auto parts store" you can get a filter for around 5 bucks. its a fram filter, part # CH6009. and if you are a veteran and have a va patient id card or anything else showing that your a veteran, (even your DD214), you show it to them and you'll get a 10% discount on anything in the store. i use mine everywhere i can to get a discount, and trust me, it adds up. including lowe's, home depot etc etc.

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I wouldn't put a Fram filter on my lawn mower. :)

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Re: Whoops! Ruined threads in front cover, any ideas?

Postby moffat » Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:25 am

A tap is best . How do you get a helicoil inserted into the engine block with the engine being removed? Is there a mobile helicoil service in USA?

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Re: Whoops! Ruined threads in front cover, any ideas?

Postby IAAustin » Fri Aug 23, 2013 9:02 pm

moffat wrote:A tap is best . How do you get a helicoil inserted into the engine block with the engine being removed? Is there a mobile helicoil service in USA?



Helicoil kits are available at most autoparts stores here. I still havent had time with work :cry:
I am going to attempt it with a tap first, but since the outter threads are ruined it will be difficult to make the threads line up for cutting.

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Re: Whoops! Ruined threads in front cover, any ideas?

Postby roadwanderer2 » Sat Aug 24, 2013 3:34 am

austin........thank you for your kind thank you's for my being veteran, and thank all the rest of the veterans on this site and everywhere else in the country that did their part to keep this great country #1 in the world.........wingadmin, ive never had a problem with a fram filter, but in your honest opinion, which filter would YOU recomend using? (please dont say wix) :) .....austin, the engine caseing is aluminum...i think, so rethreading the outter end shouldnt be very hard to do. just make sure your tap is as straight as possable when you start running it into the block. if you feel like its going in on a angle, remove it and start over. put some oil on the tap so it cuts easer and remember to get all the tap shavings out of the engine core.

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Re: Whoops! Ruined threads in front cover, any ideas?

Postby David-Mantle » Sat Aug 24, 2013 10:26 am

moffat wrote:A tap is best . How do you get a helicoil inserted into the engine block with the engine being removed? Is there a mobile helicoil service in USA?


In my example I removed the front engine cover and took that to a local engineer who installed a heli-coil for me. It worked out cheaper , including buying gasket , than buying a heli-coil kit and doing the work myself.
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Re: Whoops! Ruined threads in front cover, any ideas?

Postby roadwanderer2 » Sat Aug 24, 2013 10:43 am

moffat:
thats one way to do it. take it to a pro and let him deal with it. heres another example....i had to r&r the rear tire last week, i took everything apart myself because the bike shop wanted almost $180.00 to do the job, NOT including the cost of the tire, so i was putting everything back together, and as i was trying to put the axle bolt back on, i somehow buggered up the outter end threads on the nut AND the axle bolt. i took it to a shop and had the mec retap the nut and chase new threads on the axle, took it home, finished putting it back together and i was back on the road again.

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Re: Whoops! Ruined threads in front cover, any ideas?

Postby shocko » Sat Aug 24, 2013 1:14 pm

you can put a bit of grease between the cutting threads on the tap , this will catch the alloy pieces while tapping, remove the tap regulary clean and re-grease GOOD LUCK!!!!!!!!

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Re: Whoops! Ruined threads in front cover, any ideas?

Postby roadwanderer2 » Sat Aug 24, 2013 4:54 pm

shocko:

very good idea. your right, the greese will catch most of the shavings and keep the tap from binding up as you rethread the bore.

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Re: Whoops! Ruined threads in front cover, any ideas?

Postby WingAdmin » Mon Aug 26, 2013 1:46 pm

roadwanderer2 wrote:austin........thank you for your kind thank you's for my being veteran, and thank all the rest of the veterans on this site and everywhere else in the country that did their part to keep this great country #1 in the world.........wingadmin, ive never had a problem with a fram filter, but in your honest opinion, which filter would YOU recomend using? (please dont say wix) :) .....austin, the engine caseing is aluminum...i think, so rethreading the outter end shouldnt be very hard to do. just make sure your tap is as straight as possable when you start running it into the block. if you feel like its going in on a angle, remove it and start over. put some oil on the tap so it cuts easer and remember to get all the tap shavings out of the engine core.

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Once upon a time, Fram made a quality product. Now they're among the worst of the Chinese-produced garbage. If you want to see some pictures and read a review that will put you off Fram filters forever, have a look at this page: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r218833 ... TER-REVIEW

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Re: Whoops! Ruined threads in front cover, any ideas?

Postby IAAustin » Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:27 pm

Atlast it is done, had to go to the machine shop in town and they were nice enough to lend the corect tap. My uncle actually got it done, he was in the small engine business for years and knew just how to get it started. So happy to have the bike back I'm almost feeling sick...if ya know what I mean ;) But no, back to work and then a long holiday weekend! Thanks again everyone for the input!




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