Excuse my ignorance!


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Excuse my ignorance!

Postby JDMAG » Mon Sep 02, 2013 7:59 am



Ok..... You will soon figure out that I know next to nothing about Motor cycles. Other than its time to start learning.
I recently decided it was time to start a new project. I found what I believe to be a decent 1980 GL1100 I. It only had 66000 miles, and the price was $1300.00 after negations. The PO drove it to meet me, And then even drove it to deliver it to me. However, it looked as tho it had been stored for some time. (a lot of dust and bird crap, nut shells in the intake etc...) He said he had rebuilt the carbs but never synchronized them, and had already put new gas and a can of sea foam in it.
I synchronized the carbs,(I learned how to do this and even built my own gage from the info in this forum) after calibrating, I still had a lot of back fires. (I also installed new plugs, new fuel filter, new fuel lines, and drained the gas tank and refilled with new premium gas) After a day of spraying with sea foam, and gunk carb cleaner, and smoking up the country side ( and fumigating my shop) it seems to run smooth. I can throttle up with out hesitation in pickup, and no more back fires. An oil change and new air filter are next, and then rebuilding the front master cylinder.
The first of many questions is this,
1) What should my RPM's be at idle. after the engine is warm?
2) Is Ebay a good source for a master cylinder rebuild kit?
3) There is a 4 pin plug above the mike plug on my Faring(windjammer) what is this for?
4) What is best to clean the wind shield with?
Any other info will be GREATLY appreciated.
In the mean time, I also need to learn to ride this thing! :oops:
Thanks in advance!
Jeff



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Re: Excuse my ignorance!

Postby JDMAG » Mon Sep 02, 2013 8:11 am

And where is the VIN?

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Re: Excuse my ignorance!

Postby emt613 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:22 am

I can only help with questions 1 and 4, so here goes. RPM's at idle should be between 800 and 1000 from what I have learned. As for cleaning the windshield , I would use nothing but water and a mild detergent until it is actually clean then after that you could use any windex type product. Just my thoughts. Welcome to the site and enjoy the new ride.

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Re: Excuse my ignorance!

Postby emt613 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:25 am

I also THINK
the VIN is on a "plate" up at the steering neck

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Re: Excuse my ignorance!

Postby JDMAG » Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:29 am

Thanks!
That's about what I have on the RPM's.
:D

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Re: Excuse my ignorance!

Postby Garacane » Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:32 am

Welcome JDMAG. Another thing you really want to look into doing if you didn't get any info from the PO is replacing your timing belts.

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Re: Excuse my ignorance!

Postby JDMAG » Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:39 am

For some reason, I feel I should dread that. It's been mentioned to me by a couple of others. The PO said he never changed them, and I doubt the P-PO did either.

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Re: Excuse my ignorance!

Postby goldwing 1 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:58 am

my little grass hopper,it is very good you have chosen GoldwingDoc as your MASTER -you must change your timing belt,before you proceed any further,it is a MUST-just do it,do it now. ;)

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Re: Excuse my ignorance!

Postby JDMAG » Mon Sep 02, 2013 12:44 pm

ok. master. When I can swipe the Gold wing emblem from your hand, will I find the DIY article explaining the procedure??? :lol:

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Re: Excuse my ignorance!

Postby WINGER3 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:32 pm

Here is one of the best write-up on the belts, follow the thread down to the middle and you will see Little Beavers write-up on how to change the belts. You should print the how-to steps so you have them next to you, also read all the info on this subject as this procedure if done wrong could cost you an engine.
Also at the top of this page is a search block, type in timing belts and you will get all the info you need to do this job right. Remember to take your time and follow all instruction to the tee, a mistake is costly. Hundreds on this site with no knowledge of this procedure have done it, SO CAN YOU.
Take your time and you will overcome your hesitation. Buy only the best belts, Gate's are the prefured and not expensive, Honda are to expensive and no better then Gate's or Napa. Others will also jump in on this subject, no one way is perfect, you decide.Good luck. :mrgreen:

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Re: Excuse my ignorance!

Postby WINGER3 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:55 pm

Here is another real good timing belt replacement track. The GL1000 is not exactly the same as to the GL1100, but the pictures give you a very good idea of how to do it. :mrgreen:

http://www.goldwingfacts.com/images/bik ... GL1000.pdf
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Re: Excuse my ignorance!

Postby JDMAG » Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:07 pm

Thank you! I'll be printing this off. I may still have a mechanic friend standing by just in case. ;)

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Re: Excuse my ignorance!

Postby Wilcoy02 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:31 pm

welcome to the site.

We all had to learn sometime-and besides mother Honda will NOT work on your bike.

1) rpm's 800-1,000 at idle

2) E-Bay you get what you pay for and sometimes the seller has no idea what they have. check the web for different parts you may need.

3) The 4 pin plug is for your helment -intercom,radio,cb. May be one on the back of the seat for a passenger also.

4) cleaning-A lot of us use plain old Lemon Pledge. Use it on the windshield, body parts, tires, the whole bike. Get in the habit of cleaning the windshield in an up down pattern or side to side pattern. Circular pattern and you get swirls in the shield-and the headlights become a prism at night.

5) vin- Is found on the steering column a metal plate. The engine has a number also.


Do change the timing belts before you do anything. If they break-engine is usually toast. Bent rods,Holes through the casing any thing may happen if the belts break. If they have never been changed then they are 30+ years old and will break.

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Re: Excuse my ignorance!

Postby JDMAG » Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:50 pm

I like the attitude on this forum already!
Once again, Thank you!

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Re: Excuse my ignorance!

Postby JDMAG » Tue Sep 03, 2013 6:57 am

Well here's my plan for this bike. First, Change the timing belts. rebuild or clean, and sync the Carbs, rebuild the front master cylinder. after its running smooth, remove all the body parts and create an awesome custom paint job. Polish all the chrome.
I'll be posting pics as I go. I just need to get them from my Phone to my laptop and all together.
Any thing else you can think of while its down will be appreciated.
Thanks! :ugeek:

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Re: Excuse my ignorance! UP DATE!

Postby JDMAG » Sun Sep 15, 2013 8:40 pm

Well so far I have managed to Sync the carbs. after changing the plugs, and still having a high amount of back fires and misses, I thought I had a bad or weak coil. I was going to change the coil, and decided to check compression. (110 to 115 psi per cylinder) in doing so, I found one of the "new" plugs, had a broken electrode. after replacing that, the miss and some of the back fires went away. So I RE- synced the carbs again. this time, I had a much better response. In the mean time, I have also repaired some of the wiring, and polished the chrome, and have even sanded some of the body parts and prepped them for painting. Last week, I took the front master cylinder on the road with me, and sat in a hotel room and rebuilt it. Today, I removed the Radiator, and was preparing to Change the timing belts. I pulled the drain plug, and the syrup.....I mean oil drooled out. it was disgustingly thick I went ahead and pulled the valve covers and decided to adjust the valves as well. I also went and bought some break cleaner and hosed off all exposed parts.It was nasty. I don't think the oil had been changed for a good 10000 - 20000 miles. I also polished the Chrome valve covers and Timing belt covers as well and the Chrome on the Radiator. Since I'm in there I decided to go ahead and change the belt tensioners as well. I thought about the DIY rebuild on here, but decided I didn't have a thin enough cut off tool to accomplish this with. So, I just ordered a new set. I am learning a lot from this project, and I must say, the HOW TO articles on this forum, are TOPS! Bar none. in any other forum I am associated with. You all have done a Magnificent job of this. I cannot thank you enough.

Yes, I know I will have to Sync the Carbs again after adjusting the valves, but I'm actually getting pretty good at it!
I think I have decided on Candy apple red for the new paint job.
Please keep the tips and suggestions coming.
Thanks again for the help and the DIY section!
J.D.

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Re: Excuse my ignorance!

Postby Wilcoy02 » Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:16 am

Sounds like you have learned a thing or two. See it is pretty simple to get to know your ride inside and out.

Get your self a set of tools to carry on the bike. You'll know which ones you need to carry Nothing like something breaking down and you leave that one tool you need in the garage

Put some pics on so we can see your progeress of your learning curve.

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Re: Excuse my ignorance!

Postby JDMAG » Mon Sep 16, 2013 6:26 am

I have a little help from knowledgeable friends. One came by yesterday to help with the timing belts, (actually pulled the radiator and covers for me) and another stops by and answers questions, and advise, as well as being a paint and body man.
As far as tools, I have the original tool kit that came with it, that I intend to add a few to.

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Re: Excuse my ignorance!

Postby virgilmobile » Mon Sep 16, 2013 7:47 am

While your down there and have the radiator drained....

Check the water pump impeller for lateral play..There's 2 bearings in the assembly...they don't last for ever as they are not lubed from the engine....
Under the water pump area,there is a weep hole...inspect this area...it should be dry..
If there's oil or antifreeze around this area,the pump needs to be replaced.....

Second...while it's apart..spend the $7 and replace the thermostat as a pre-emptive strike...A Stant replacement is used from Napa.

Third...inspect and repair as necessary the 3 yellow wire plug to the left of the battery...It's the weak point of the charging system...

Oh..there's lots more if you want to touch every part of the bike...but get the heart of the beast running right first.....
Not much use in dressing it up if it won't run down the highway.

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Re: Excuse my ignorance!

Postby JDMAG » Mon Sep 16, 2013 5:51 pm

My water pump and the weep hole looks and feels ok. but where would I find a replacement pump for it?

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Re: Excuse my ignorance!

Postby littlebeaver » Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:26 pm

Not sure about the water pump, I mean where to get a new one but you may think twice before getting one from Saber Cycle, I think I read that people get really bad service and parts from them...I'm surprised my water pump is doing so well at 60K still knock on wood.... :D

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Re: Excuse my ignorance!

Postby JDMAG » Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:48 pm

I tried to wiggle it and it wouldn't move. It's probably good to go, but I am of the nature that if I'm already able to touch it, I might as well replace it. I may have to let this one slide tho. there is only 66000 miles on the bike.

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Re: Excuse my ignorance!

Postby littlebeaver » Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:03 pm

I wouldn't fix what isn't broke either, if its solid you should be good, shoot it could last another 60k who knows..I hope mine last forever... :D I have read of people going to fix this and then a mounting bolt snaps on them, Hello. then it just got harder to repair...Sometimes those bolts get frozen on pretty tight...You think its turning out but then the head falls out... :shock: Oh my...

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Re: Excuse my ignorance!

Postby WingAdmin » Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:08 pm

JDMAG wrote:I tried to wiggle it and it wouldn't move. It's probably good to go, but I am of the nature that if I'm already able to touch it, I might as well replace it. I may have to let this one slide tho. there is only 66000 miles on the bike.


The water pump decided to go on my 1100 with 47,000 miles on it. Like a lot of things, I think it's a combination of miles and years.

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Re: Excuse my ignorance!

Postby patbrandon1 » Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:51 pm

Hi JDMAG. It has been fun reading about your progress, and I thank you for sharing your journey with us. I know you have some of the answers to your questions, but here are a couple of mine.
1) 950 RPMs
2) You CAN find a master cylinder rebuild kit on Ebay, but spend a little more and get one from a reputable supplier.
3) Intercom system.
4) Go to a glass company and get a plastic glass cleaner. I mostly just wet a towel and lay it on the windshield for 10-15 minutes, and then just wipe it off. But for tougher stuff other than bugs, i.e. tar, you may need a cleaner. But get one specifically designed for your windshield material. Take the bike to the class company. If you use other cleaners, in my experience, you can dull the plastic. But Wilcoy02 had a great answer for this as well.

Other) Change the three little wire connection to eliminate the plug at the connection for the stator. Here is a link...viewtopic.php?f=5&t=12522

Keep us posted on your adventure. With all the helpful people, and their willingness to give freely of their time, you can do anything to your Wing, and it will be a good pal for a lifetime.




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