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starting problems 82 gl1100

Postby steaky242 » Wed Sep 04, 2013 9:04 pm



just had my starter rebuilt put it back in and the bike tried to start but now when i hit the start button it just makes a whirring noise.it seems like the starter isn't engaging or something.could really use some input please



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Re: starting problems 82 gl1100

Postby wjnfirearms » Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:38 am

From what little info you gave, it sounds like a bad rebuild. My guess is that the Bendix drive isn't activating to engage the flywheel, thus the whirring sound only. Me thinks that you need to remove the starter and take it back to where it was rebuilt.

If you might be inclined to test it yourself, here's what to do....

Remove the starter.
Bench it securely and put 12 volts to it being careful of polarity. Watch the opening where the exposed gears are.
See if the gear called the Bendix comes up to engage the flywheel and retracts when power is removed.
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Re: starting problems 82 gl1100

Postby steaky242 » Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:04 am

what does the bendix look like?i'm guessing its inside the starter right?i looked at pictures of step by step rebuild of starter but there was no mention of bendix

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Re: starting problems 82 gl1100

Postby WingAdmin » Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:44 am

This is not an automotive starter, there is no bendix spring, and the starter does not engage the flywheel like it does on a car.

On the 1100, the starter output is a splined shaft. When the starter is installed, this shaft fits into the center of a sprocket. The sprocket drives a chain which connects to a one-way sprag clutch around the stator. When the starter is turning faster than the engine (or when the engine isn't turning at all), the sprags in the sprag clutch engage, connecting the starter to the engine and allowing it to crank. When the engine starts and begins turning faster than the starter, the sprags disengage, disconnecting the starter from the engine. This is why it does not hurt to hit the start button when the engine is already running.

One of two things is happening in your case. Either the reduction gears inside the starter head are not engaging properly, so the shaft is not turning, or the sprags in the sprag clutch are not engaging, so the engine is not turning. Being that the bike was working fine before, and the starter has just been rebuilt, I would strongly suspect it is an issue with the reduction gears inside the starter.

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Re: starting problems 82 gl1100

Postby virgilmobile » Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:57 am

It's possible that during the rebuild,someone left out the pin that secures the outer planitairy ring to the casting.

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Re: starting problems 82 gl1100

Postby 80-GL100-INT » Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:23 pm

Did it get fully seated into the chain drive sprocket ?
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Re: starting problems 82 gl1100

Postby steaky242 » Thu Sep 05, 2013 7:27 pm

i put starter back in again and it tried to start first time i pushed the button then it went back to just spinning.when the starter winds down is it supposed to click when it stops?

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Re: starting problems 82 gl1100

Postby steaky242 » Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:08 am

thanks to everybody for the input unfortunatly i still cant get it to start.i may have to take it to a shop i guess.i can still push start it for now so i think i am going to try putting seafoam through it first though.

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Re: starting problems 82 gl1100

Postby WingAdmin » Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:17 am

steaky242 wrote:i put starter back in again and it tried to start first time i pushed the button then it went back to just spinning.when the starter winds down is it supposed to click when it stops?


OK, that's what we needed to know. It's grabbing sometimes, but not others. That points directly to the sprag clutch as being the culprit.

The next step is to put half a can of Seafoam into the crankcase, get the bike started, and go ride it for an hour. Then while it's still hot, drain that oil and fill with fresh oil. The first time I did this on my 1100, I had chunks of black goo coming out - and this was with fresh oil!

The problem is there is very little oil flow in and around the sprag clutch, and the sprags tend to get gummed up with the sludge that collects back there. The Seafoam breaks up the sludge and lets the sprags start to work again.

The problem is - getting the bike started. If you can't get the starter to engage at all, you're going to need some help - and an incline. Get it ready to start - ignition on, choke on, ready to go, in first gear. Hold the clutch in, get it rolling down the incline, and when you get enough speed, let the clutch out to spin the engine and get it running. Once it's running, warm it up, then go do your hour ride.

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Re: starting problems 82 gl1100

Postby redial » Sat Sep 07, 2013 3:54 am

I find 2nd gear better to push start it, you are not fighting so much with the compression. It just makes it easier.
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Re: starting problems 82 gl1100

Postby WingAdmin » Tue Oct 01, 2013 8:50 pm

Here's the original penetrating oil article. Note that the author of the article printed a correction later noting that he inadvertently placed a bottle of power steering fluid in the photo rather than the (correct) bottle of ATF.

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Re: starting problems 82 gl1100

Postby steaky242 » Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:25 am

all is working good now it turns out the wires were broken at the stator inside the casing.




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