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Well $#!^...

Postby CavalryShawn » Tue Oct 15, 2013 9:52 am



Well so much for that.

Just did my replacement of my timing belt rear cover, timing pulley, timing belt, and timing belt front cover. Was SUPER careful making sure everything was lined up PERFECTLY. Not even a single tooth off.

Bike ran fine, no issues. Emphasis on RAN. On the way to work Saturday and KABOOM. Total loss of everything except lights, Tach dropped to zero, smoke pouring out the exhaust. Got her pushed the rest of the way to work and fuel was dripping (read: pouring) out on the right side from the seal where the headers meet the head.

I'm so freaking frustrated with this. I know its probably a broken valve stem and God knows what else is damaged because of it.

*face-desk*



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Re: Well $#!^...

Postby thrasherg » Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:45 am

Let us know what actually failed, it sounds like you did everything correctly so I would be very interested to hear what failed and if possible, why it failed? Hope it doesn't cost too much or take too long to fix.

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Re: Well $#!^...

Postby David-Mantle » Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:50 am

Wow - sorry to hear . If new belts had failed ( not impossible but rare ) then fight for compensation from supplier. Apart from that I can only imagine that the key on the camshaft that holds the timing wheel might have gone skyward. I hope not tho buddy, good luck and let us know what went wrong. This might be something we could learn from.
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Re: Well $#!^...

Postby littlebeaver » Tue Oct 22, 2013 7:53 pm

Face Desk ha ha ha....I have never heard that one before... That's funny though,,I'm not laughing at your situation as I know how tough that must be, keep us posted on what you decide to do with your bike...I would be very discouraged at this time too.. I'd probably kick something..

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Re: Well $#!^...

Postby CavalryShawn » Mon Nov 04, 2013 5:56 pm

OK so the star aligned this Sunday, no drill, no work, yard mowed, and the Broncos had a bye, so I was actually able to tear up the bike. Haven't really found anything yet, as I hit a wall with the valve springs. I don't have a valve spring compression tool. Found a trick online with a magnet and a socket, but still cant compress the spring enough. I'll have to find one somewhere if no one knows a trick.

Main concern though. I turned the crank to T1 and then tried to go all the way around, just for giggles. She turned about 100-145 degrees from T1 and *THUNK* stopped dead and no force of God or man was going to turn that socket wrench any further. I spun it around the other way and thunk again. I busted a rod didn't I?

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Re: Well $#!^...

Postby SteveB123 » Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:22 pm

CavalryShawn wrote:Main concern though. I turned the crank to T1 and then tried to go all the way around, just for giggles. She turned about 100-145 degrees from T1 and *THUNK* stopped dead and no force of God or man was going to turn that socket wrench any further. I spun it around the other way and thunk again. I busted a rod didn't I?


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Re: Well $#!^...

Postby cbx4evr » Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:11 am

How fast were you going when this happened.

Sounds very similar to a GL1000 that I picked up a year ago. Guy had done a bunch of work on it. Had it out and gave it a good roll on the throttle going through the gears. All of a sudden a big bang, total loss of power and oil pouring out. Ended up blowing a hole in the case from a broken rod.

Hope your situation isn't as grave but it certainly doesn't sound good.
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Re: Well $#!^...

Postby littlebeaver » Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:04 am

It didn't get put in gear somehow did it? the plugs are out and it stopped like that and it's in neutral, Oh man...doesn't sound real good because it should go around with ease..When you kick something, try not to hurt yourself...sorry about your issue there man.. all you wanted was to go ride and you have some major problems now..Man I feel for you...

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Re: Well $#!^...

Postby CavalryShawn » Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:02 pm

cbx4evr wrote:How fast were you going when this happened.

Sounds very similar to a GL1000 that I picked up a year ago. Guy had done a bunch of work on it. Had it out and gave it a good roll on the throttle going through the gears. All of a sudden a big bang, total loss of power and oil pouring out. Ended up blowing a hole in the case from a broken rod.


I was doing about 35-40 mph when it popped. I checked the whole bike over right after it happened looking for a hole in the case and didn't see one, but doesn't mean there isn't a broken rod that just didn't jettison all the way through, which is my leading theory at the moment.

littlebeaver wrote:It didn't get put in gear somehow did it? the plugs are out and it stopped like that and it's in neutral,


That was my first thought and was the first thing I checked. It's up on the center stand and definitely in neutral. Popped it into first and spun the rear tire, saw it stop, pulled it up into N, and spun the rear tire freely. Plugs are out. Other weird thing is that the pulleys from when I did the timing belt change were all good. The tensioners were tight and in position, belts were in good shape, pulleys lined up on their marks still. I figured if it was a valve stem, wouldn't those has gotten off sync?

hmmmm.... ebay motors.... searching for GL1100 engine....... :(

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Re: Well $#!^...

Postby thrasherg » Tue Nov 05, 2013 2:21 pm

Maybe you just dropped a valve, that would lock the engine up as you describe and with a bit of luck the damage would not be too expensive to fix, it doesn't sound like you where revving the engine much when it went bang, so lady luck might still be on your side. I would be looking to get the heads of fairly quickly as you will rapidly see if it's a con rod, valve or something else!!

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Re: Well $#!^...

Postby littlebeaver » Tue Nov 05, 2013 6:38 pm

Hey that wouldn't be all that bad then would it, the cost of a new valve and a gasket set, avoid the gaskets from sabercycles though... I heard they are not good ...

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Re: Well $#!^...

Postby Oldbear » Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:55 pm

Get any further into the failure?
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Re: Well $#!^...

Postby CavalryShawn » Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:31 am

Still haven't been able to get the valve springs out. Anyone know how I can get the springs compressed without a valve spring compression tool?

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Re: Well $#!^...

Postby littlebeaver » Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:51 am

CavalryShawn wrote:Still haven't been able to get the valve springs out. Anyone know how I can get the springs compressed without a valve spring compression tool?

I would bet you could use an adjustable wrench and just press into it with force with the wrench opened enough to clear the clips and have someone with a magnet tip tool grab the clip as you push in...I haven't done it but it plays like that in my brain..

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Re: Well $#!^...

Postby thrasherg » Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:15 am

CavalryShawn wrote:Still haven't been able to get the valve springs out. Anyone know how I can get the springs compressed without a valve spring compression tool?


So you have the heads off? Any visible signs of any damage? I hadn't realized you already had the engine this far apart. Fingers crossed it isn't too serious.

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Re: Well $#!^...

Postby CavalryShawn » Sat Nov 09, 2013 10:41 am

Wow.


just....wow....








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Re: Well $#!^...

Postby Oldbear » Sat Nov 09, 2013 3:09 pm

We just had a little cry in our household...
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Re: Well $#!^...

Postby thrasherg » Sat Nov 09, 2013 5:31 pm

Well as there are no marks on the other piston, it looks like you correctly timed in the camshafts, so the failure doesn't look like it was caused by you. More like an unfortunate failure of the exhaust valve, which led to the damage you see. That is repairable but not sure that you want to do that!! A lot of expense and time.. Sorry to see the pictures, I was hoping you would find less severe damage.

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Postby CavalryShawn » Sat Nov 09, 2013 5:57 pm

I'm not so sure it's repairable. If you look at picture #4 you can see a huge crack on the cylinder wall at the 4-5 o'clock position. Is that really a piece that I can replace? I realize this is a total overhaul top to bottom if I want to keep this bike, but I'm thinking this is new engine territory is it not?

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Re: Well $#!^...

Postby Sagebrush » Sat Nov 09, 2013 8:52 pm

Definitely need a replacement engine. I doubt you can get the cylinder fixed. The crank shells are valuable even used if they are still in spec as new ones are as rare as hens teeth. I know of a couple folks on other forums that buy every shell they can find.

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Re: Well $#!^...

Postby WingAdmin » Sat Nov 09, 2013 9:58 pm

thrasherg wrote:Well as there are no marks on the other piston, it looks like you correctly timed in the camshafts, so the failure doesn't look like it was caused by you. More like an unfortunate failure of the exhaust valve, which led to the damage you see. That is repairable but not sure that you want to do that!! A lot of expense and time.. Sorry to see the pictures, I was hoping you would find less severe damage.

Gary


Perhaps a belt failure, and it failed with the two valves on the other piston closed?

Regardless of the cause, with that big crack in the liner, that engine block is scrap, unfortunately. :(

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Postby thrasherg » Sun Nov 10, 2013 12:17 am

I didn't see the crack, you can put in new liners, but it would be cheaper & easier to get another engine..

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Re: Well $#!^...

Postby WINGER3 » Sun Nov 10, 2013 1:25 am

CavalryShawn wrote:I'm not so sure it's repairable. If you look at picture #4 you can see a huge crack on the cylinder wall at the 4-5 o'clock position. Is that really a piece that I can replace? I realize this is a total overhaul top to bottom if I want to keep this bike, but I'm thinking this is new engine territory is it not?

Sorry about the engine, yes I would say you need a good block to rebuld. I have been running thru Craigslist for parts and ran across a 1100 standard for sale for $200. The bike is on the Houston Craigslist and seems to be complete, says the engine turns over but carbs are off to rebuild but never did. I just thought this might be one you could check out, also would give you a lot of parts to sell and get some $ back. Good luck. :mrgreen:
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Re: Well $#!^...

Postby littlebeaver » Mon Nov 11, 2013 12:13 am

I'm feeling a little bit sick on this day.....That's just terrible for you..why does this stuff always happen to the good guys..damn. :shock:




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