83 Aspencade Starter


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83 Aspencade Starter

Postby Pam » Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:53 pm



As many of you may recall I cleaned up the starter on my son's 83 Aspencade. Now that the weather has cooled off an issue has popped up. When you hit the starter button the starter just spins and does not engage. I found one washer missing when I had the starter apart and reassembled it without putting in another washer. Maybe I should pull the starter again and see if I can find the right washer to go in to the internal workings? Any thoughts would be appreciated.

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Re: 83 Aspencade Starter

Postby kerryb » Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:32 pm

I don't think the problem is in the starter. The overrunning clutch that connects the starter to the engine is on the other end of the starter chain.
That means you need access to the front of the alternator according to the manual. I'm not sure you can access that without pulling the engine.
See page 16-8 and 16-9 of the factory manual for a decent picture. It doesn't look like you even have room to squirt some oil on the rollers and springs. sorry to be the bearer of bad news

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Re: 83 Aspencade Starter

Postby WingAdmin » Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:41 pm

kerryb wrote:I don't think the problem is in the starter. The overrunning clutch that connects the starter to the engine is on the other end of the starter chain.
That means you need access to the front of the alternator according to the manual. I'm not sure you can access that without pulling the engine.
See page 16-8 and 16-9 of the factory manual for a decent picture. It doesn't look like you even have room to squirt some oil on the rollers and springs. sorry to be the bearer of bad news

kb


You're very likely right about the cause, but there is some hope. The common cause of this is a buildup of sludge in the starter sprag clutch, which prevents those little sprags from engaging the engine. Pouring some Seafoam into the engine crankcase, then getting the bike started by bump starting (put it in second gear, get everything turned on and ready to go, then have some friends push you on the bike with the clutch in, pop the clutch out to spin the engine and get it started). Once it is started, go ride it for a good half hour to circulate the Seafoam and let it get the sludge broken down. Then change the oil. In a lot of cases, this will fix the problem.

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Re: 83 Aspencade Starter

Postby Sagebrush » Tue Oct 22, 2013 6:33 am

Ride it very gently with the Seafoam in it as the oil viscosity is compromised. This method does work..... sometimes. If it doesn't then to fix it correctly you are looking at removing the engine and cleaning or replacing the sprag components.

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Re: 83 Aspencade Starter

Postby Pam » Tue Oct 22, 2013 8:30 am

Thanks guys, I can get the starter to engage if i use a little persuasion from a hammer,(lite taps) once it starts to turn then it is good until it gets cold again. With the time of year this might have to wait until spring. I am going to try the sea foam first. Like I say this might have to wait until spring.

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Re: 83 Aspencade Starter

Postby Pam » Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:20 pm

Well some success, It warmed up and I was able to get the bike going, I used Gunk a product recommended by a mechanic friend. I put it into the crank case after draining out about 1 liter of very dirty oil. Started the bike and let it idle for 10 minutes, then dropped the oil and filter. The oil had a smell to it. I refilled the crank case and started it up. I left it overnight and the next morning -2c or about 28 f. She cranked and started without choke. I will do another flush at the next service ans hopefully everything is good from there.. :D . My son bought this bike last summer and he hasn't gotten a license yet so it has been idle, and I don't think the previous owner was very faithful with his service

Thanks again guys




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