How hard is it?


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How hard is it?

Postby 1fastgl1100 » Mon Feb 03, 2014 2:21 pm



My 82 GL1100 slips in 4th and 5th gear. and now when you first start bike and put it in gear you have no clutch at all (till it warms up). local shop said that it needs a new clutch and is willing to install a new Hondaline clutch, plates and everything for $450.00.
Is this a complex job? I know clutch plates can be removed without removing engine. I just want to know if there are any tricky items I should look for?

Any help and advise would be welcome



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Re: How hard is it?

Postby WingAdmin » Mon Feb 03, 2014 7:27 pm

What kind of oil do you have in your engine?

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Re: How hard is it?

Postby 1fastgl1100 » Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:12 pm

Castrol 1500 extended wear NON-Synthetic also running a spin on oil filter with K&N oil filter.

Local shop says job is easy but time consuming. he test road bike and says it needs clutch plates but otherwise runs and shifts great.

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Re: How hard is it?

Postby WingAdmin » Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:38 am

1fastgl1100 wrote:Castrol 1500 extended wear NON-Synthetic also running a spin on oil filter with K&N oil filter.

Local shop says job is easy but time consuming. he test road bike and says it needs clutch plates but otherwise runs and shifts great.


I can't find a reference to that oil on the web. Does it have a circle anywhere on the bottle that says "Energy Conserving"?


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Re: How hard is it?

Postby RBGERSON » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:07 am

Nothing special but heed the warnings about slowly and evenly releasing and tightening the plate or it will crack!!! Check the basket for spider cracks replace if you see any. If you do in the bike you can only take a few plates out at a time and install the same way. Lots easier to drop the engine and do it off the bike..:)! Especially if you have not done a clutch before.

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Re: How hard is it?

Postby RoadRogue » Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:06 am

are you sure the clutch cable has the proper slack in it? doesn the cable need to be cleaned and lubed? its not binding? is free to move?8-)
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Re: How hard is it?

Postby 1fastgl1100 » Wed Feb 05, 2014 7:35 am

RoadRogue wrote:are you sure the clutch cable has the proper slack in it? doesn the cable need to be cleaned and lubed? its not binding? is free to move?8-)


New cable... bike has been tested now by two mechanics I trust and both say "its time to replace the clutch pads". after 30 years I am not shocked that they need to be replaced..

I owned bike for last 15 years and prior owner said he never did any clutch work other than replace the cable once. 30 years and 190,000 miles is not bad, not bad at all!

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Re: How hard is it?

Postby RoadRogue » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:06 pm

I iust thought it was a good idea to check the cheap stuff first. Like Wingadmin asked about the friction modifiers in the oil. That can cause clutch slip too.If the slipping just started all of a sudden, say a few hundred miles after the last oil change.
I would be looking for any options besides taking the word of a local shop whose job it is to seperate you from your money. Now having said that it may very well be that the clutch is shot and you do have to replace the plates. Good luck, its not that hard of a job, just awkward angles. 8-)
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Re: How hard is it?

Postby 1fastgl1100 » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:28 pm

I have been using the same oil for several years with no problems (used in both the 82 and 83 gl1100's) and the clutch started slipping about 3 months ago in 4th gear only and then progressed to 4th and 5th gear and now will slip in any gear if you try to crack the throttle to fast.

the 83 GL1100 is fine and again runs the same oil

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Re: How hard is it?

Postby Sagebrush » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:37 pm

I think with 190,000 miles on the bike that the clutch doesn't owe you anything. I'd replace the friction plates just because at that point.

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Re: How hard is it?

Postby littlebeaver » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:14 am

well if this was me and it's not, I would try the cheapest methods first.... I would put some seafoam in the engine to clean it out well and change the oil, perhaps you have done this already..if not I would try it because it's cheap....then if there is no change I would go after the clutch.. To me it's worth a try... :D Might be surprised at the crud that comes out with the oil...I have not changed my plates out yet but I'm sure it's a pain in the rear..

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Re: How hard is it?

Postby thrasherg » Thu Feb 06, 2014 12:19 pm

Come on guys, the bike has done 190,000 miles, the clutch is going to be toast!! I suspect the entire top end of the engine is also going to be very worn!! This is not likely to be an issue with oil, it's just plain tired, that's a lot of miles. I have not worked on an 1100 so I have no idea if the clutch plates can be changed with the engine in the frame, but I would suggest making this a winter project, drop the engine, replace the clutch plates (Easily done with the engine out of the frame) and I would also be taking the heads and barrels off, the rings have to be worn and the valves and valve seats must be very tired after that kind of mileage (also fit a new timing belt). I would hate to spend all the effort to replace the clutch and then have a valve drop or to be chucking out so much smoke that i didn't want to ride the bike.. The engine has lasted very well, but it sounds to me that it could do with a big overhaul (It has earned it). None of this is difficult to do if you have a good service manual, some reasonable tools, time/patience and somewhere warm & dry to work on the engine.

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Re: How hard is it?

Postby 1fastgl1100 » Thu Feb 06, 2014 4:11 pm

Actually Gary bike runs great, no smoke and smooth as any I have ever ridden.. Belts are new and valves were just adjusted (about 8 months ago) and new head gaskets at same time.
Clutch can be changed with engine in frame (per clymer manual) but don't understand reference to a winter project? I ride everyday.

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Re: How hard is it?

Postby thrasherg » Thu Feb 06, 2014 5:01 pm

1fastgl1100 wrote:Actually Gary bike runs great, no smoke and smooth as any I have ever ridden.. Belts are new and valves were just adjusted (about 8 months ago) and new head gaskets at same time.
Clutch can be changed with engine in frame (per clymer manual) but don't understand reference to a winter project? I ride everyday.


Come and live in Seattle, you will quickly understand Winter projects!! :lol:
If the clutch plates can be changed with the engine in place then I would do it yourself, allow yourself a full day (It shouldn't take that long) and just make sure you have all gaskets, clutch plates and some silicon gasket sealer to hand. Clutch plates are not generally a difficult thing to change..

Gary




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