Dunlop 404 question


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Dunlop 404 question

Postby 702scottc » Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:18 pm



Received a new Dunlop D 404 130-90-16 from a friend of mine. I usually run the Dunlop D402 on my 1981 Interstate that I installed wheels and tires from a 1983 some years back. Always had good luck with the 402 because of its heavy duty touring rating. Has anyone used the 404 and how is the performance? Since the price was right (free) I'd like to install it but not sure if it's up to the challenge? It's a heavy old bike and I'm a heavy old guy so it needs all it can get! Any opinions would be great..



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Re: Dunlop 404 question

Postby RoadRogue » Fri Feb 21, 2014 11:48 pm

The D404 130-90-16 is rated as a 67H . That is a little on the low side at 677lbs.

The D402 130-90-16 is rated as a 74H, or 827lbs. Much better but still a little light for my liking. 8-)
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Re: Dunlop 404 question

Postby 702scottc » Sat Feb 22, 2014 12:55 am

What tire would you suggest? I've used the 402 oe harley tire for a long time with no issues.if there is one begter please let me know.

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Re: Dunlop 404 question

Postby redbug » Sat Feb 22, 2014 1:44 pm

From what I gather from the Dunlop Motorcycle tire website, they do say the 404 is what you want. Now since you have the 1983 rims the Elite 3 is what you should use due to the rim width which is 3.00 compare to the 2.50 original 1981 rim. Plus it has a weight capacity of 930 lbs. Now I am not a expert on this, just what I read on the charts if I read them correctly. Hope this helps you out. Have a good ride...
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Re: Dunlop 404 question

Postby RBGERSON » Sat Feb 22, 2014 1:57 pm

I thought the 404 were stock for the 1100's???
HAD LOTS OF GOLDWING 75-83
NOW INTO 1500'S..RIDING A 1998 SE

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Re: Dunlop 404 question

Postby redbug » Sat Feb 22, 2014 3:43 pm

As stated in the Dunlop Motorcycle tire website, 1980-81s use the 404s,1982-83 use the Elite 3. 702 Scottc was asking about the tires and he has 83 rims on his 81. RoadRoque had a nice response on tires and weight capacities . I have know idea what the Goldwing owners manuals say on the 80 81s. I did not go to any other source on m/c tires cept Dunlop. Since the elite 3 has a 930 lb capacity it might be right up 702Scottc alley.I have used the 402s on the Harley and they have the extra fiber belt in the center for the extra weight and they did just fine. Tire tech changes all the time, so go with what suits your need. Seems like tires are a touchy subject on this site and opinions vary to say the least. Ain't it fun?
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Re: Dunlop 404 question

Postby newday777 » Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:14 am

Have you looked at the Michelin Commander II? It's a better tire than the Dunlop. Handles much better and better wear.
Michelin commander II
Size: Speed Rating: Load Rating:
130/90-16 H (130 mph) 73 (805 lbs)

140/90-16 H (130 mph) 77 (908 lbs) This is the size that fits the 83A, check your distance of the tire to the drive shaft to see if you can put the 140/90-16 on for the better load rating. I haven't tried it on an 80-81 if there is enough clearance to the drive shaft/swing arm or not. Check the caliper mount too.

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Re: Dunlop 404 question

Postby plumbermullins » Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:20 pm

I have run the Dunlap E3'son my 82 1100 w/vetter fairing and Honda interstate bags and been very happy with their performance, 10000 mile w/no problems. as for running an 83 wheel on an 81 you may want to change the swing arm to an 83 it gives you a little more clearance for the wider tire a friend did this worked well. Good luck and remember nothing is free it costs something along the way.

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Re: Dunlop 404 question

Postby 1fastgl1100 » Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:10 am

In 1983 when I purchased my GL1100a it cam stock with Bridgestones not Dunlops.
However I have been running Dunlop 404's for some time now with no issues at all. with that being said I am pushing the performance up on my 82 and looking to try the the new Dunlop American Elite and see how that works.

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Re: Dunlop 404 question

Postby Sagebrush » Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:37 am

RoadRogue wrote:The D404 130-90-16 is rated as a 67H . That is a little on the low side at 677lbs.

The D402 130-90-16 is rated as a 74H, or 827lbs. Much better but still a little light for my liking. 8-)


I don't know how heavy your 1100 is but I doubt it weighs 1354 pounds loaded. I figure with two tires each carries approximately half the load, that would mean that a tire rated at 677lbs would be more than sufficient. I'm sure the manufactures have included intermittent momentary loads due to bumps, curves, etc in their rating.

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Re: Dunlop 404 question

Postby RoadRogue » Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:51 pm

Here is a photo I took directly from the original owners manual that came with my 1100. Granted mine is an 82 not an 80 like 702scottc has,mine runs 16 inch tires not the 17's of the 80-81, but because he has the wheels from an 83 (16" rear) these numbers would apply more accurately. After all he stated that " It's a heavy old bike and I'm a heavy old guy so it needs all it can get! Any opinions would be great."
It is my somewhat educated opinion that the Dunlop D404 tire in a 130-90-16 67H size is an inadequate tire for the bike in question. You need a load index of at least 71, higher is better.
My choice of tire for the 1100 was Avon VenomX ,good load rating,great grip wet or dry,long tread life with good neutral steering and quiet as a mouse.8-)
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Re: Dunlop 404 question

Postby Wingsconsin » Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:22 pm

Sagebrush wrote:
RoadRogue wrote:The D404 130-90-16 is rated as a 67H . That is a little on the low side at 677lbs.

The D402 130-90-16 is rated as a 74H, or 827lbs. Much better but still a little light for my liking. 8-)


I don't know how heavy your 1100 is but I doubt it weighs 1354 pounds loaded. I figure with two tires each carries approximately half the load, that would mean that a tire rated at 677lbs would be more than sufficient. I'm sure the manufactures have included intermittent momentary loads due to bumps, curves, etc in their rating.


Actually the front tire carries about 45% and the rear the remaining 55% at rest.
Change the physics of the momentum (moving or braking) and that number changes.
example: - A hard braking can transfer 1.2 or more G's to the front tire making the 45% much higher than the resting figure.
Having extra capacity , especially the way Goldwing riders typically load down a bike with extra people and extra stuff is prudent in my opinion.

This thread has an interesting conversation about tires for a GL1500 --> viewtopic.php?f=6&t=20532
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Re: Dunlop 404 question

Postby 1fastgl1100 » Fri Feb 28, 2014 8:37 pm

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Looking at the picture where can I get a "Doulop"? were those the stock tires on your bike?
Sorry picking fun at the guy who wrote the book.

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Re: Dunlop 404 question

Postby RoadRogue » Fri Feb 28, 2014 10:46 pm

1fastgl1100 wrote:
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Looking at the picture where can I get a "Doulop"? were those the stock tires on your bike?
Sorry picking fun at the guy who wrote the book.[/quote]



Thats funny, I didnt even notice the spelling error. Guess even mother Honda makes little mistakes 8-)
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Re: Dunlop 404 question

Postby ram11397 » Sun Mar 02, 2014 11:12 pm

Hi
I have used and stilling using 404 on my 82 1100 i replaced the rear tire i got about 11000 miles out of it i am a big guy with bike weight and mine its carrying a load ....lol the front tire i got almost 15000 out of it changing this spring when riding season starts again and it will be 404 again they seem to hold the road well both dry and wet conditions.

Rick


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