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bike might be flooded please help

Postby liemsdad4130 » Thu Mar 13, 2014 8:19 pm



Well to start, when I purchased the bike the guy told me if I leave the gas valve on it has a tendency to flood. Well of course that's what I did and now it won't start. First try to start it there was a backfire out of the right tailpipe only. The alternator or starter is winding but it seems I'm not getting any spark. Doesn'ttry to turn over at all just the winding . Any help would be appreciated. I just set up my vacuum gages to sync the carbs and went to start her up. This sucks.



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Re: bike might be flooded please help

Postby virgilmobile » Fri Mar 14, 2014 7:32 am

When mine flooded I first center stand the bike outdoors....I "killed" the ignition with the kill switch so there won't be any spark.....Removed all 4 spark plugs and carefully bumped the starter..

Out shot a bunch of fuel from the left side..it was hydro locked....

I let it set and dry out for a hour,occasionally bumping the starter,just to spin it over....

Keep the charger on the battery too...

I dried and checked the plug gap and made sure they were in OK shape before I put them back in...If the plugs are contaminated black,you might as well put in a new set.

The "winding" you hear is the starter clutch slipping...by removing the plugs,you dramatically reduce the load on the cranking and it usually will take hold and spin the engine over...
I do suggest a dose of Sea Foam to clean it out good and then a oil change within 100 miles after treatment.

It is not uncommon for this to happen (me too..more than once)...I just got in the habit of turning off the fuel at the end of the day...

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Re: bike might be flooded please help

Postby Fatwing Chris » Fri Mar 14, 2014 7:37 am

You should be able to leave the fuel on without affecting anything(although it's not a bad idea to turn it off).Sounds like you have at least one needle and seat leaking fuel while sitting.Good possibility your oil has a lot of fuel in it.You should check before starting.Sounds to me like you're in for a carb rebuild.

PS Leaving the bike sitting on the sidestand maybe contributing to this also if the float level isn't where it's supposed to be.I always leave mine on the center stand overnight and have never had this problem.
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Re: bike might be flooded please help

Postby liemsdad4130 » Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:00 am

Fatwing Chris wrote:You should be able to issue. eave the fuel on without affecting anything(although it's not a bad idea to turn it off).Sounds like you have at least one needle and seat leaking fuel while sitting.Good possibility your oil has a lot of fuel in it.You should check before starting.Sounds to me like you're in for a carb rebuild.

PS Leaving the bike sitting on the sidestand maybe contributing to this also if the float level isn't where it's supposed to be.I always leave mine on the center stand overnight and have never had this problem.

I never use the side stand so that Is not an issue. I was going to remove the spark plugs and turn it over a few times. I'm buying new plugs on the way home from work. I just installed plugs and changed the oil last week. I also put sea foam in my tank and oil. I will post later what happens.

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Re: bike might be flooded please help

Postby virgilmobile » Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:46 am

Sounds like you got it under control so far.If flooding is a problem,it's probably time for new float seals and needle valves.

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Re: bike might be flooded please help

Postby liemsdad4130 » Fri Mar 14, 2014 9:09 am

virgilmobile wrote:Sounds like you got it under control so far.If flooding is a problem,it's probably time for new float seals and needle valves.

The guy i bought it from rebuilt them in the last yr. He has receipts and all. He then let it sit for 8 months. I guess he wasted his money.

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Re: bike might be flooded please help

Postby liemsdad4130 » Fri Mar 14, 2014 3:44 pm

I took out the spark plugs, put it in gear and got it off the center stand. As soon as the engine turned gas shot out both sides. I kept pushing it around to get it moving. I put a couple drops of oil in each spark plug hole and it moved really nice. Put in my spark plugs and not it makes a different noise. The starter is still whining but it sounds like the gears won't catch. Should I pull the starter and check it out or leave the plugs out to dry the engine and try again later

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Re: bike might be flooded please help

Postby virgilmobile » Fri Mar 14, 2014 3:58 pm

Pulling the starter does not yield access to the starter clutch.
If it still won't grab,you may have to add the sea foam and push start the bike,run it for a few hours,not just idling ,replace the oil and try again.
Those clutch rollers must be really gummed up.

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Re: bike might be flooded please help

Postby liemsdad4130 » Fri Mar 14, 2014 4:01 pm

virgilmobile wrote:Pulling the starter does not yield access to the starter clutch.
If it still won't grab,you may have to add the sea foam and push start the bike,run it for a few hours,not just idling ,replace the oil and try again.
Those clutch rollers must be really gummed up.

Put sea foam in the spark plugs holes?
Are you saying once I get it running ride it for a couple hrs?

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Re: bike might be flooded please help

Postby Wilcoy02 » Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:25 pm

no no need to put sea foam in the spark plug. Put sea foam in the gas and the oil. Bump start it and ride for an hour. change the oil and filter. The SF in the oil will loosen up those clutch rollers which are imersed in your oil. May have to do two times to get it all cleaqred up.

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Re: bike might be flooded please help

Postby liemsdad4130 » Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:29 pm

OK here is the new status. I ran the bike down a hill and dropped it in gear and hit the start button. I got it running and road it for 20 minutes. I dumped half a bottle of sea foam in the oil first. I shut it off and it won't start again.

I guess my new plan is to let that sit all night and do an oil change tomorrow. I live in no and it's still cold. Any recommendations on oil for the weather? Other than that does anyone have another option to fix my issue?

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Re: bike might be flooded please help

Postby RBGERSON » Sat Mar 15, 2014 6:20 am

well, a "fix" for cleaning up a starter clutch..is to drill a hole int he case, add a port and spray the rollers directly..see the pics. last one just to show what holes but with case off..

or try some heat at the source..light bulb over night, wife's hear dryer for a few minutes???
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Re: bike might be flooded please help

Postby liemsdad4130 » Sat Mar 15, 2014 7:47 am

If I have sea foam in the oil and I bump start it ( push it down a hill pop into gear and hit the start button) wouldn't it make the gears spin? Wouldn't doing that a few times in a row free it up?

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Re: bike might be flooded please help

Postby virgilmobile » Sat Mar 15, 2014 10:52 pm

Were all going under the assumption that the bike used to crank OK and now after it's had it's problem and is cold the 3 rollers in the clutch are stuck.Hopefully it has a good starter and not one of those plastic geared knockoffs.
Yes the most likely cause is gunk keeping those rollers from easily wedging themselves to the starter drive.
Yes it will take more than one 20 minute ride to dissolve that stuff and loosen them up.Those rollers are not well lubricated as they set quite high in the block.
I wouldn't do anything else till you get at least a few good hours on it...not just a puttering to the corner and back a few times. Really ride it.Keep it below the red line but don't be afraid of the 4500 rpm.

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Re: bike might be flooded please help

Postby virgilmobile » Sat Mar 15, 2014 10:58 pm

Also...those "gears" are 3 large rollers.As I remember there about the diameter of a pencil an less than a inch long.When the engine is running,centrifugal force pushes them outward (into the flywheel).This is where they get stuck.When the flywheel stops turning there suppose to move in there slot and wedge the flywheel to the starter drive.

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Re: bike might be flooded please help

Postby WingAdmin » Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:47 am

liemsdad4130 wrote:OK here is the new status. I ran the bike down a hill and dropped it in gear and hit the start button. I got it running and road it for 20 minutes. I dumped half a bottle of sea foam in the oil first. I shut it off and it won't start again.

I guess my new plan is to let that sit all night and do an oil change tomorrow. I live in no and it's still cold. Any recommendations on oil for the weather? Other than that does anyone have another option to fix my issue?


You really want to change the oil while it's still relatively warm, otherwise you're not going to get it to flow the sludge out that the Seafoam has displaced. The hotter the better.

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Re: bike might be flooded please help

Postby liemsdad4130 » Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:49 pm

I have rode it 60 miles and still didn't start. I put a light weigh oil in before I did that. It was also 79 outside. I just drilled the hole in the case and sprayed wd40 directly into those holes and the area. Again nothing. Before I start hitting it with a hammer, any other ideas before pulling the motor???

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Re: bike might be flooded please help

Postby virgilmobile » Sun Mar 23, 2014 7:33 pm

This is indeed odd that all you've done didn't free it up....
Unless....as I mentioned previously....the planitairy gear has a sheared pin or other problems in the starter.
Before you yank the engine,pop the starter off,inspect the sprocket and chain drive.You can actually test the clutch there too.even with my finger,I can only turn the sprocket one direction.Pull he gear head off the starter and look at it.Theres suppose to be a small shear pin that locks the outer ring gear to the casting.Verify its there.

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Re: bike might be flooded please help

Postby liemsdad4130 » Sat Mar 29, 2014 1:36 pm

OK there is no way this problem is the starter clutch. I got the bike running and poured oil directly into the holes while it was spinning. No luck. I just pulled the starter and the chain moves freely with no problem. Should I be able to move the starter spline freely? I was going to take it to advanced auto and let them test it.

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Re: bike might be flooded please help

Postby virgilmobile » Sat Mar 29, 2014 1:47 pm

The chain should move one direction only and not the other.Thats the clutch function.
If you can move the chain freely both ways,the clutch is not grabbing the drum.

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Re: bike might be flooded please help

Postby liemsdad4130 » Sat Mar 29, 2014 1:48 pm

Chain only moves one way like it should. I can turn the starter spline either way off the motor.

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Postby liemsdad4130 » Sat Mar 29, 2014 1:49 pm

I cannot turn the starter spline. Sorry.

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Re: bike might be flooded please help

Postby liemsdad4130 » Sun Mar 30, 2014 10:14 am

Found my problem. I pulled the the starter and took it apart. The gears i side were shattered. I have one coming to fix it. Thank you for all your input on fixing this issue. Wish i pulled the starter first instead of drilling a hole in my engine case. At least i have access to the starter clutch now.




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