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Bike Will Not Start

Postby rjbrownley » Sat Mar 22, 2014 12:33 pm



I have a 1983 GL1100 Interstate. The bike has been sitting in my garage through the winter and when I tried to start it last week, it would turn over but would not start, which is normal, after sitting all winter, but it eventually starts. Today I tried to start it again, but now it will not even try to turn over. All I get is a clicking sound when I try to start it. I did notice that the main fuse near the battery was blown, so I replaced it with a new one. The bike also has a new sealed battery, so I know that the battery is good. Does anyone have any ideas on what can be going on.



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Re: Bike Will Not Start

Postby WingAdmin » Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:06 pm

rjbrownley wrote:I have a 1983 GL1100 Interstate. The bike has been sitting in my garage through the winter and when I tried to start it last week, it would turn over but would not start, which is normal, after sitting all winter, but it eventually starts. Today I tried to start it again, but now it will not even try to turn over. All I get is a clicking sound when I try to start it. I did notice that the main fuse near the battery was blown, so I replaced it with a new one. The bike also has a new sealed battery, so I know that the battery is good. Does anyone have any ideas on what can be going on.


Measure the battery voltage, I suspect it's going to need charging.

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Re: Bike Will Not Start

Postby RBGERSON » Sun Mar 23, 2014 9:03 am

+1 charge your battery then check it at rest and under load..starting if it drops below 10v's it usually can't start an 1100
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Re: Bike Will Not Start

Postby rjbrownley » Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:51 pm

Thanks for the help guys. I replaced the battery with a new one and also replaced the starter solenoid. Still nothing. When I push the starter button, all that I get is a click from the solenoid. Do you think it could be the starter? I have also checked the ground from the battery and it is good.

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Re: Bike Will Not Start

Postby virgilmobile » Thu Mar 27, 2014 9:29 pm

It can be hydrolocked.
Push it outside,pull all 4 plugs.
Kill the ignition and bump the starter.
Be prepared for one cylinder to eject raw gas 20 feet..
Yes this can happen.

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Re: Bike Will Not Start

Postby rjbrownley » Sat Mar 29, 2014 2:06 pm

I pulled the plugs, turned the ignition to off and tried to start the bike. Still nothing. All I get is a click from the starter solenoid when I push the start button. I next put the bike into first gear and pushed it. Gas cam flying out of one of the cylinders. Push the start button, still nothing but a click. The starter does not seem to rotate. I reinstalled the plugs, pushed the bike and popped the clutch, The bike started and ran fine, but when I shut it off and tried to start it with the start switch, I still only get a click from the solenoid. Not sure where to go from here.

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Re: Bike Will Not Start

Postby WingAdmin » Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:14 pm

First, make sure you turn your fuel petcock off when parking the bike from now on!

Next, use a voltmeter to measure voltage at the starter terminal when the solenoid is clicking.

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Re: Bike Will Not Start

Postby David-Mantle » Mon Mar 31, 2014 12:07 am

Does the starter motor need new bushes? Also check the leads from the battery - especially the earth lead - might be oxidized.
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Re: Bike Will Not Start

Postby rescue1042 » Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:47 am

I Had that same problem couple days ago I have new battery and starter! I tried starting it and it would not start well in the process it killed the battery.. so charged battery and when I went to try and start it all it did was click... so I took the charger cable and hooked it to ground and and touched the positive to the starter real quick and it turned the starter over so I knew I needed a new solenoid so I went on ebay and found new ones for 10 bucks and when put it in it started the bike right up!!!!! :) but what bugged me is how hard this bike starts in temps in the 30s or low 40s Man it takes a lot to start?? any ideas there?
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Re: Bike Will Not Start

Postby patbrandon1 » Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:20 am

rescue1042 wrote:but what bugged me is how hard this bike starts in temps in the 30s or low 40s Man it takes a lot to start?? any ideas there?


In a photo from my owners manual, I point out where I use 10W30 oil in cold weather. Contrary to this year, it does eventually warm up in Michigan. But I use 10W30 for the early AND late part of the riding season, as I ride while it is cold up until the snow covers and/or melts from the roads. It does cost me a little more to do this, but it starts much easier with the lighter viscosity oil. What weight oil do you use?

When I know the temp isn't going to drop below 50 degrees any longer, I change to 10W40.
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Re: Bike Will Not Start

Postby rescue1042 » Mon Mar 31, 2014 10:05 am

Ya I use 10 we in it ... I was wondering if that could be part of it cause I put heater next to it for 20 min and it starts in half turn
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Re: Bike Will Not Start

Postby rjbrownley » Tue Apr 01, 2014 4:27 pm

I just put 12 volt between the battery negative terminal and the plus of the starter. Starter did not turn, so I guess I will be rebuilding the starter this coming weekend.

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Re: Bike Will Not Start

Postby WingAdmin » Tue Apr 01, 2014 10:50 pm

rjbrownley wrote:I just put 12 volt between the battery negative terminal and the plus of the starter. Starter did not turn, so I guess I will be rebuilding the starter this coming weekend.


Where did you get the 12 volts to put there? You need an awful lot of amps to get that starter to turn the engine - something like a battery charger is not going to do it.

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Re: Bike Will Not Start

Postby rescue1042 » Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:08 am

omg so sorry I did put charger in there!! I used a battery and put the jumper cables on there! I guess I call jumper cables charging cables sometimes.. sorry :oops:
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Re: Bike Will Not Start

Postby Sagebrush » Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:32 am

I just put 12 volt between the battery negative terminal and the plus of the starter. Starter did not turn, so I guess I will be rebuilding the starter this coming weekend.


This may be a typo but you won't get any starter to turn over if you hook it up directly to the battery negative terminal. It must be hooked up to the positive terminal to turn the starter. Make sure its in neutral or on the center stand before you do this though.

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Re: Bike Will Not Start

Postby WingAdmin » Wed Apr 02, 2014 12:07 pm

Sagebrush wrote:
I just put 12 volt between the battery negative terminal and the plus of the starter. Starter did not turn, so I guess I will be rebuilding the starter this coming weekend.


This may be a typo but you won't get any starter to turn over if you hook it up directly to the battery negative terminal. It must be hooked up to the positive terminal to turn the starter. Make sure its in neutral or on the center stand before you do this though.


I think he means he applied the positive end of his voltage source to the terminal of the starter, and the negative end of his voltage source to the battery negative terminal, which would be correct. You could also just apply the negative end to the casing of the starter, frame, or any other large grounded area.

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Re: Bike Will Not Start

Postby rjbrownley » Wed Apr 02, 2014 4:11 pm

Wingadmin you are correct, I did hook a battery charger between the negative terminal of the battery and the post on the starter. But you are saying that a battery charger does not have enough amps. My charger puts out 10A. I was not looking to start the bike, just want to see if the starter will turn. So, it sounds like I need to hook a new battery between the points that I hooked my charger.

I also, want to thank everyone for their input, it has been a lot of help.

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Re: Bike Will Not Start

Postby WalterM817 » Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:20 pm

You might want to pull the starter off there and see if the starter brushes are good.
The armature in the starter will corrode over a few months in wet conditions and need cleaned up as well. Even good brushes won't help if the corrosion is there.
If the battery isn't up to snuff there may not be enough juice to power the ignition system.
At any temps below about 45 degrees I've never been able to trust my GL1100 to kick over easily. Some might I guess but mines always been temperamental till it's warmer out.
If you're popping main fuses there's some current draw going on somewhere although if it's an original fuse it may just be weakened by time and vibration. Good Luck.

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Re: Bike Will Not Start

Postby patbrandon1 » Wed Apr 02, 2014 8:34 pm

rjbrownley wrote:Wingadmin you are correct, I did hook a battery charger between the negative terminal of the battery and the post on the starter. But you are saying that a battery charger does not have enough amps. My charger puts out 10A. I was not looking to start the bike, just want to see if the starter will turn. So, it sounds like I need to hook a new battery between the points that I hooked my charger.
I also, want to thank everyone for their input, it has been a lot of help.


You can use your car to test the starter. Just run jumper cables from your car or truck to it without the car running. You don't have to get a new battery to test the starter.

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Re: Bike Will Not Start

Postby rjbrownley » Sat Apr 05, 2014 4:39 pm

I used the battery from my truck on the starter, still did not turn. So, I removed the starter, not good. The wires that go to the brushes were broken and very brittle. The wire that is soldered to the metal ring that holds the brushes was also corroded. Looks like I need a new starter. At least I know what my problem is.

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Re: Bike Will Not Start

Postby rjbrownley » Sat Apr 05, 2014 4:52 pm

I was just online looking for a new starter. I found them to be anywhere between $80 and $350. Does anyone know what there is such a wide range in price?

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Re: Bike Will Not Start

Postby redbug » Sat Apr 05, 2014 5:51 pm

Don't give up yet. Try the DIY section on how to rebuild a starter. If its a genuine Honda starter, it's worth a try.
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Re: Bike Will Not Start

Postby rjbrownley » Sat Apr 05, 2014 6:05 pm

That was my plan, to rebuild the starter using the instructions on here, but when I opened up the starter the wires were falling apart. The wires are too brittle, so I don't think that I can rebuild it. My big problem is the wire that comes from the windings and connects to the round plate that the brushes mount too is gone, so I don't think that it can be repaired.

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Re: Bike Will Not Start

Postby rescue1042 » Sat Apr 05, 2014 6:13 pm

I put a 80 dollar one on from eBay a new one on there and it seem to work fine for me :)
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Re: Bike Will Not Start

Postby rjbrownley » Fri Apr 11, 2014 5:46 pm

I ordered and received a new starter today, but I am having trouble installing it. I am not able to get the shaft on the starter to line up with the sprocket. I almost had the chain fall off the sprocket, which as you know would not be good. Anyone have any ideas on how to line up the starter shaft with the sprocket?




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