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bike won't turnover

Postby bikerpiper » Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:25 pm



I have a 1981 gl1100 I pushed the starter button but there was nothing not even a click from the solenoid, it is a new battery I tryed crossing the terminals on the solenoid all it did was spark no click tryed the starter still nothing I also took the starter off thinking it might be jamed and tryed it on its own, it spun no problem, any help would be appresiated



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Re: bike won't turnover

Postby virgilmobile » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:11 pm

Hydrolocked with fuel....
Pull all 4 spark plugs...Kill the ignition with the kill switch...Bump the start button.....

BE AWARE...if there is gas in the cylinder..it will be ejected...

In fact,I've seen it shoot 20 feet out the hole....Remember NO SPARK....Be careful please...

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Re: bike won't turnover

Postby bikerpiper » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:41 pm

Hi virgilmobile the starter switch wont work ether, I did do what you suggested using the solenoid, and you are wright it goes some height, it was after I did that that the starter stopped working even from the solenoid, I took the starter off the bike and checked it but it was working

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Re: bike won't turnover

Postby virgilmobile » Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:08 pm

OK,so the solenoid won't click.??....It's just a big relay....It's energized by applying volts (start button) to the yellow/red wire and grounding the green/red wire(the neutral safety switch or clutch switch)...

Use a test light on the yellow/red wire and push the start button...it should show volts...While you hold the start button,probe the green/red...it should not show volts...If both are correct and the solenoid does not click,replace the solenoid.
Let us know what you find please...This schematic may help...
Is your neutral lamp on when you turn on the key???
Also..even if the neutral lamp is on...IF the diode should be bad,it will not click...so try pulling in the clutch lever once too.

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Re: bike won't turnover

Postby virgilmobile » Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:15 pm

Also...what is the current condition...what works and what does not...

If you remove the plugs,can you roll the engine over.. by putting it in 5th gear and turning the rear wheel...or turning the bolt on the stator??just to be sure the engine is free..

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Re: bike won't turnover

Postby bikerpiper » Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:34 pm

thanks virgilmobile for all your help will try what you have said in the morning and will let you know how I get on, love your wing very nice

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Re: bike won't turnover

Postby bikerpiper » Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:35 pm

thanks virgilmobile for all your help will try what you have said in the morning and will let you know how I get on, love your wing very nice

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Re: bike won't turnover

Postby bikerpiper » Mon Apr 14, 2014 7:48 am

sorry for the very late update virgilmobile , been out with some kind of flue viruse.

I tried everything you said, the neutral light only comes on when you pull in the clutch, there is no click when the switch is pushed in , both the yellow/red, and green /red showed voltage when the switch was held in, I also tried a screwdriver on the solenoid again but this time there wasn't even a spark, the battery was fully charged it was reading 13.6v checked all the fuses none were blown

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Re: bike won't turnover

Postby virgilmobile » Mon Apr 14, 2014 8:46 am

Ok.first...when you pull in the clutch lever,it should ground the green/red wire and the solenoid should click with the start button.
The neutral lamp coming on when you pull in the clutch lever is a shorted diode.
The neutral lamp not coming on when in neutral can be the neutral switch or the wire to it.
Shorting the lugs and no spark.??? Either the battery is dead or the starter is.
Pull in the clutch lever and try the start button again.It should click.Measure the volts on each lug.Both should be 12 volts during starting,including the lug on the starter.

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Re: bike won't turnover

Postby bikerpiper » Mon Apr 14, 2014 9:40 am

the battery is brand new and I took the starter of the bike and tried it jumping of the battery and it turned no problems, just tried your last sugestion there is still no click, the post on the solenoid going to the battery reads 12v when the clutch is pulled in the other one only reads 0.23 and the one on the starter only reads 0.08

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Re: bike won't turnover

Postby virgilmobile » Mon Apr 14, 2014 9:50 am

Gotta get the solenoid to click first.one little wire is 12 volts with the start button and the other little wire goes to zero volts with the clutch switch or neutral switch.
Assuming the solenoid is wired correctly,when these conditions are met the solenoid clicks.
The easy way to tell the wiring is to unplug the 4 wire plug on the solenoid.2 connections should have 12 volts on them.They go to the big red wires.The other 2 go to the small wires.
If nothing you try gets it to click,replace the solenoid.

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Re: bike won't turnover

Postby bikerpiper » Wed Apr 16, 2014 4:03 pm

Hi virgilmobile thanks for all your valuable help did all the checks you said turns out its the solenoid, first touch of the button and it clicked, all I need now is to get the starter working properly now, I think it might need new brushes its turns but theres no kick in it and when put back on the bike theres nothing

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Re: bike won't turnover

Postby bikerpiper » Wed Apr 16, 2014 4:06 pm

forgot to say its a new solenoid I put on today that did the clicking lol

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Re: bike won't turnover

Postby virgilmobile » Wed Apr 16, 2014 4:22 pm

Great to hear.Keep at it,I have every confidence that you'll get it going again.
Probably learn something along the way too. :D

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Re: bike won't turnover

Postby bikerpiper » Thu Apr 17, 2014 3:25 pm

thanks virgilmobile I had no michanical knowledge at all till I started working on this project, its all thanks to guys like yourself who are willing to help with words and pictures and videos, that helps guys like me take that 1st step towards fixing up old bikes we would normaly scrap,




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