help painting saddlebag lids on the cheap


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help painting saddlebag lids on the cheap

Postby oristorob » Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:23 am



OK heres my story. I bought a 1981 goldwing about a year ago to learn to ride at 64 years old (never rode before). I am still not real comfortable riding a bike this size but am gaining confidance with each ride and have decided to keep the bike a while longer. I just recently did the following work on the bike using the excellent advice on this site: installed rear master cylinder kit, replaced timing belts, adjusted valves and installed new cover gaskets, removed exhaust and had muffler shop make repairs to leaks and also gave every thing a good cleaning and wax job. The bike looks good and runs good. The odometer shows 40,000 miles and I have around $1900 invested. Everything seems orginal including the wineberry paint except the saddlebag lids which are homemade cushioned black vinyl over plywood installed by a previous owner. They looked OK but I had been looking for a pair on ebay that would match my bike without success. That all changed this weekend when I lost one of the homemade lids on a ride. I have puchased a right and left lid from different sellers ($123 total) on ebay and they are in route to me now. The lids will have to be prepped and painted and I would like to spend as little as possible. They don't have to look great but decent. I have air compressors and cheap paint guns. I would appreciate any advise on the type of paint and where to buy and how to prep the lids for paint. I want to keep the cost down because I may sell the bike and downsize and selling an old bike for a decent price is hard to do.
Thanks, Rob



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Re: help painting saddlebag lids on the cheap

Postby RBGERSON » Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:34 am

there are several detailed rant can and compressor how to paint on the Saunders sight might be some here too. But basically there is no cheap color match..all custom or there are some suppliers who have Goldwing paint but it's $$$$$.

The process is at least 3 coats, with light sanding in between and then a clear coat to finish it off.

Do a search for all the details..I'll look through my bookmarks for paint sources but liek I said I know it's $$$$

http://www.cyclecolor.com/
HAD LOTS OF GOLDWING 75-83
NOW INTO 1500'S..RIDING A 1998 SE

FAIR WINDS,
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Re: help painting saddlebag lids on the cheap

Postby oristorob » Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:44 am

Thanks for the reply. I should have mentioned I used up a coupled of hours doing the search thing and did not find what I was looking for. High $$$ is not an option, hoping for under a $100.

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Re: help painting saddlebag lids on the cheap

Postby oristorob » Wed Apr 30, 2014 6:52 am

I have finished the cheap paint job on the saddlebag covers. I received the lids from sellers on ebay and one had a small crack in it. I repaired the crack with ABS cement and it appears solid. I then stripped the old finished and repaired scuffs and blemishes by wet sanding with 400 grit. I carried the prepared lids to Maaco and one other paint shop to see what it would cost to have them painted. Neither shop would quote me a price, and said they didn’t think they could match the color. I went to autozone and purchased primer, base coat and clear coat in the dupli-color spray rattle cans. I carried in the side battery panel cover to try and match the color of the base coat can top. I was pleased with the results of the primer coats and lightly sanded with 800 grit. I then sprayed on the base coat and realized the color was way off, so I went back and bought another color using a color chart. This appeared to be a closer match, but when I set it on the saddlebag there was a very noticeable contrast in color. I decided this is as close as I was going to get on the cheap and would have to live with two tone saddlebags. Also while I was applying the pin stripes I dropped one of the lids on the concrete floor of my shop and got the first scuffs and nicks before I even installed it on the bike. While shopping on ebay for the lids I found a new set of luggage racks for the lids from JC Whittney for $17 including shipping. I ordered and installed these also but I don’t know if they will be useful for anything other than looks. I spent less than $50 on the paint job but I am not as pleased with the results as I had hoped but I believe I can live with it. Total cost spent on the lids was around $185.
end result
end result
finished painting
finished painting
crack
crack
crack repaired
crack repaired

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Re: help painting saddlebag lids on the cheap

Postby virgilmobile » Wed Apr 30, 2014 8:16 am

I added a "lid keepers" to mine...I too had one disappear at 70 MPH...
Now my "new" bike has "keepers" attached to every cover.

By the way...the painting looks fine...there evenly matched...

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Re: help painting saddlebag lids on the cheap

Postby Wilcoy02 » Wed Apr 30, 2014 11:00 am

These are worth their weight in gold. Or in your case $185.

http://rudysproducts.com/index_store.html

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Re: help painting saddlebag lids on the cheap

Postby mytown » Thu May 01, 2014 2:54 am

Good job. Can you provide some information about acquiring and applying the decals?

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Re: help painting saddlebag lids on the cheap

Postby Wilcoy02 » Thu May 01, 2014 11:54 am

I bought striping at auto zone -They had a perfect match of one big stripe and a little stripe.
I used:
prostripe R320106at brt. gold met.
5/16" x 40 ' 7,94mm x 12,19mm

It comes with two clear plastic which I peeled off the bottom one to stick to the lid.
When I got to the curves I cut the two stripes apart and carefully placed the one stripe in place and then did the second stripe. I then peeled off the top clear plastic tape( which mother Honda did not remove and) that is what causes the peeling on the old stripes.

Then I sprayed about 3 coats of clear coat over the entire piece.


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Re: help painting saddlebag lids on the cheap

Postby oristorob » Fri May 02, 2014 5:50 am

wilcoy02 is right on about the pin stripes. I got mine at autozone and the cost was around $6 and I just installed it over the finished paint job. Lid keepers are a must have on my to do list. Thanks to everyone for all the advise. This site makes owning an older bike much more enjoyable.

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Re: help painting saddlebag lids on the cheap

Postby OnPapasWing » Fri May 02, 2014 6:50 am

Hats off to you oristorob for the willingness to take on a project like that, especially for a first bike. Nicely done. And from where I sit the color looks great. I suppose another thing you could have done was a contrasting color vs. trying to match exactly. Like go with a black, then paint some of the other panels black as well.
Anyway, I hope you keep the wing and stick around. Good luck with your project.

BTW, where did you get your ABS cement? I was looking on Amazon and see where I can buy the ABS cement and a sheet of ABS plastic 0.060" thick. Has anyone used that plastic yet? Is the thickness right? I suspect that it really doesn't need to be too thick and the thinner it is the easier it would be to shape and such.

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Re: help painting saddlebag lids on the cheap

Postby Wilcoy02 » Fri May 02, 2014 2:07 pm

abs can be obtained at Lowes, Home Depot. I use a black abs pipe and make shavings off of it to make the syrup. A foot of pipe will last a lifetime for abs repair.

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Re: help painting saddlebag lids on the cheap

Postby OnPapasWing » Fri May 02, 2014 8:17 pm

All I can find at the big box stores is the all purpose cement, which does include ABS but is that good enough?

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Re: help painting saddlebag lids on the cheap

Postby Wilcoy02 » Fri May 02, 2014 8:21 pm


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Re: help painting saddlebag lids on the cheap

Postby OnPapasWing » Fri May 02, 2014 8:32 pm

OK, I've got a Lowes nearby that shows they have it in stock. Thanks!

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Re: help painting saddlebag lids on the cheap

Postby WingAdmin » Sun May 04, 2014 9:25 am

Neither my Lowes nor Home Depot carry the correct ABS stuff, they carry only the "multi-purpose" cement which is wrong. However, my little local True Hardware store carries Oatey ABS cement, which works great.

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Re: help painting saddlebag lids on the cheap

Postby OnPapasWing » Sun May 04, 2014 9:28 am

I was able to find a Lowes which had about 3 dozen cans of the ABS cement. But no pipe. Called around any was told that the ABS plastic was outlawed for may applications due to the fact that it creates toxic fumes in fires.
Looks like I'll just have to order a sheet from Amazon. I can get a 12"x12" 0.060" sheet for a few dollars.

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Re: help painting saddlebag lids on the cheap

Postby oristorob » Sun May 04, 2014 9:45 am

Got my ABS cement from lowes. It was cheaper than ABS to PVC $5. I was amazed at how easy and effective the repair was. The crack disappeared.
Thanks for all the encouraging words. The wife gave a thumbs up on the two tone color, says she likes it better than a true match so I am a happy camper. I am really getting attached to the bike after doing the work on it. Rode about 80 miles yesterday and over 100 miles with wife on back a couple weeks ago. Got the Suzuki GZ250 listed for sale on craighslist after passing DMV road test on it.

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Re: help painting saddlebag lids on the cheap

Postby mytown » Mon Jul 07, 2014 5:44 am

Wilcoy02 wrote:Then I sprayed about 3 coats of clear coat over the entire piece.

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Wilcoy02, I bought a maroon trunk that has a luggage rack on it and thanks to a great tip I got in the DIY article regarding installing a trunk rack, I was able to simply slide the top off of the maroon trunk and slide it onto my black trunk bottom. Voila! :P Now I'd like to get that top to look as good as your lids. Assuming that you painted them with rattle cans, can you tell me what paint you used and provide any information regarding your technique that you think might be helpful? Thanks.

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Re: help painting saddlebag lids on the cheap

Postby Wilcoy02 » Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:22 am

I started with very rough steel wool to get the old paint and "Hondas" clearcoat off. down to the base of the abs trunk.
Took some finer steel wool to get rid of all the scratches I put in it.
Went to 600 wet/dry sandpaper
" " 1000 " " "
Sprayed KRYLON fusion for plastics black paint.
waited 15-25 min and put another coat of black on it.
Waited 2 days to let it dry.
Sanded with 1500 wet/dry sandpaper
" " 2000 " " "
" " 2500 " " "
sprayed 2 more coats of black.
Let sit for a day and sanded w/ 1500, 2000, 2500 This is where I put my prostripe R32016AT BRT. GOLD MET striping on the bags. It matched perfectly the Original striping.$5.00 at auto Zone.
If you use this striping make sure you take the top clear tape off the stripes after you get it on. This is where Mother Honda screwed us and left it on. That is why after 30 years that is the part that cracks the clear coat.

sprayed KRYLON fusion for plastics clear 2 coats. Let it sit for a day and sanded 1500, 2000, 2500
sprayed my final 2 coats of clear

Do NOT put any wax or anything else on the paint for at least 90 days or longer. Let the paint dry and cure.

That is how I did mine and real happy with the results.

Before

After

this is how far I sanded

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Re: help painting saddlebag lids on the cheap

Postby mytown » Mon Jul 07, 2014 12:00 pm

Super. thanks again.

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Re: help painting saddlebag lids on the cheap

Postby 4wred » Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:15 am

I went to my local auto paint store with my paint code for the two colors on my 82 aspy(silver and dark grey).They didn't have any cross reference for motorcycles so he took out his paint matching camera and shot it.The color match was about 95% dead on.
Got one rattle can of each color,enough to do the lids.The cans have a very good nozzle spray pattern,nice wide fan.Sprayed the base 2 coats,2 coats clear they look awesome.Cost for the rattle cans about 35.00.Dupont chromabase paint and chromabase clear.
The silver color turned out to be a ford color.Just painted over the original stripes made it easy to mask off and reinstall new stripes :!:
btw I already had the clear from other auto touchups

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Re: help painting saddlebag lids on the cheap

Postby Wilcoy02 » Sun Jul 20, 2014 8:07 pm

4wred

It did not happen without pics to show us.

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Re: help painting saddlebag lids on the cheap

Postby 4wred » Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:48 am

Wilcoy02 wrote:4wred

It did not happen without pics to show us.

I never posted pics yet,I'll get some today and try to post them.

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Re: help painting saddlebag lids on the cheap

Postby HawkeyeGL1200 » Mon Jul 21, 2014 7:27 am

Nice work on the repainting, one and all. I need to re-paint the bags (the entire bike really) on mine because it looks like it has spent 30-odd years sitting in the sun. I don't think I want to put pin stripes back on mine after painting.. yours look great! You all have encouraged me to give this a try soon.
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Re: help painting saddlebag lids on the cheap

Postby 4wred » Tue Jul 22, 2014 8:17 am

Here's some pics of mine.I did the tops of bags and trunk.
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