82 verses 83 gearing


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82 verses 83 gearing

Postby Miwheels » Wed Jun 25, 2014 5:19 am



Is the gearing diff on a 82. Verses 83 ?1100 goldwing
In 82 the speed limit was 55 and it changed in 83 so I have a 82 and have a chance to get rear rim gearing swing arm and drive shaft from 83 I would like to change it will it all work ? Anyone done it !
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Re: 82 verses 83 gearing

Postby WingAdmin » Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:18 pm

The gearing was changed in 1983 to make the first gear shorter (quicker acceleration) and fifth gear longer (higher speed at lower RPM). However, the changes were made in the transmission, not the final drive. The final drive in 1982 and 1983 models is identical.

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Re: 82 verses 83 gearing

Postby Dogsled » Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:28 pm

Yikes.....your thinking HONDA was worrying about the US speed limits? Somebody never told my Ducati dealer.

How fast, flat out will your bike go?

I don't know this for sure but I sur;ey don't think Honda cared/cares about speed. This is an interesting question though that you would think speed/gearing was a factor in any manufaturers minds.

Are you thinking maybe the 6th gear thought that the engine is not getting maximum potentential.... If you're looking for a touring bike....that (I believe was always the goal with the wing) the bike performed quite well to road speed limits for long periods of time. Try to clarify what it is you want you bike to do.

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Re: 82 verses 83 gearing

Postby eklimek » Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:25 pm

I have a 81 and 83 with stock rubber.

In town 3rd gear is adequate for the 83 but I am often shifting between 3rd and 4th on the 83. I suspect the ratios are different for those gears as well.

On the highway the 81 goes 120 km/hr at 4300 rpm with a sweet spot at 4500 rpm. The 83 needs a down shift at same speed for performance. Not sure if gas mileage is different between the two on the highway but rpm is under 4000 rpm with the 83.

I like the 81 slightly better, but that may be an acquired taste for rpm tolerance. The Honda cb350f turns 1,000 rpm per 10 mph and easily goes with highway traffic. The Honda 350 twin tingles unmentionable parts at the same speed due to vibration.

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Re: 82 verses 83 gearing

Postby WingAdmin » Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:32 pm

eklimek wrote:I have a 81 and 83 with stock rubber.

In town 3rd gear is adequate for the 83 but I am often shifting between 3rd and 4th on the 83. I suspect the ratios are different for those gears as well.

On the highway the 81 goes 120 km/hr at 4300 rpm with a sweet spot at 4500 rpm. The 83 needs a down shift at same speed for performance. Not sure if gas mileage is different between the two on the highway but rpm is under 4000 rpm with the 83.

I like the 81 slightly better, but that may be an acquired taste for rpm tolerance. The Honda cb350f turns 1,000 rpm per 10 mph and easily goes with highway traffic. The Honda 350 twin tingles unmentionable parts at the same speed due to vibration.


Here's the actual ratios:

1980 & 1981:

Primary reduction: 1.708
Secondary reduction: 0.973
Final reduction: 3.091

Gear ratios:
1st: 2.500
2nd: 1.667
3rd: 1.286
4th: 1.065
5th: 0.909

1982:

Primary reduction: 1.708
Secondary reduction: 0.973
Final reduction: 3.100

Gear ratios:
1st: 2.500
2nd: 1.667
3rd: 1.250
4th: 1.000
5th: 0.829

1983:

Primary reduction: 1.708
Secondary reduction: 0.897
Final reduction: 3.100

Gear ratios:
1st: 2.463
2nd: 1.667
3rd: 1.250
4th: 1.000
5th: 0.829

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Re: 82 verses 83 gearing

Postby dingdong » Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:12 am

According to that chart the fifth gear change occurred in 82. I have always heard it occurred in 83. ????
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Re: 82 verses 83 gearing

Postby WingAdmin » Thu Jun 26, 2014 8:42 am

dingdong wrote:According to that chart the fifth gear change occurred in 82. I have always heard it occurred in 83. ????


I thought that as well, but I have owners manuals for every year of GL1100, and I copied those numbers right out of the manuals. Note that 1983 also had a drop in the secondary reduction ratio, which would have made ALL gears taller in 1983.

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Re: 82 verses 83 gearing

Postby Miwheels » Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:04 am

Thanks guys glad I asked before I did that
You do know your stuff about wings thank you !

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Re: 82 verses 83 gearing

Postby ekvh » Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:39 am

Yep, there are two drops there. The other factor is tire size. 17" in 80-81 and 16" in 82-83.

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Re: 82 verses 83 gearing

Postby Flyboy6 » Wed Dec 31, 2014 12:04 pm

Great to have all of this data. Here is a related question :

I have a very fine 83A, high km's (176k) but well maintained, looks showroom, comps all mid 150's. Just picked up a 'barn-retired' 80 standard, low km's (46k) for parts. No title on the 80, though I know this can be worked out.

Am into 80 engine now and all looks very clean, no gunge, cyl bores and heads clean, cams, valves perfect. Thinking about swapping engine from 80 into 83. Any issues? (I know about the single-lead neutral) Presumably I'll get the shorter 1980 gearing. If I don't like this gearing, can I drop in the tranny gearing from the 83 if it is in good shape (seems to be running perfect. PO was mechanic and fastidious).

Will look up how to post pix and ask for opinions on what I'm seeing inside engine head/bores.
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Re: 82 verses 83 gearing

Postby Flyboy6 » Wed Dec 31, 2014 12:17 pm

Cyl head after light wood with oily rag. Left side.
Cyl head after light wood with oily rag. Left side.


Just realized that these pix probably belong in an engine tear down thread, but it did start as a question about the gearing!

Happy for any advice about what these parts look like, next steps to take. I'd love to not have to split the case. (GREAT tutorial on cyl gasket here too!)
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Cyl bore (left rear) after quick wipe down.
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Re: 82 verses 83 gearing

Postby Flyboy6 » Wed Dec 31, 2014 12:23 pm

And, just because I love looking at these machines, here's my 83A (trunk off for city riding). And the 83 650GLi that shakes my man-parts at highway rpm and so led me into the world of GoldWings!
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Re: 82 verses 83 gearing

Postby Wilcoy02 » Wed Dec 31, 2014 2:33 pm

I put an 80 engine into the 83 frame and had no problem what so ever.

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Re: 82 verses 83 gearing

Postby Baunix63 » Thu Jan 01, 2015 3:08 am

I made that engine swap in spring 2014. 1980 engine into 1982 frame. No problem!
But riding is a difference 1980 short 5th gear and the short final drive of 1982 gives a punch in accceleration, about 500 rpm mor in 5th gear at 120 km/h. Ridinng on narrow streets in germany now I can keep 4th gear with enough power for cornering. With the original gear setup I often had to shift 3rd to 4th. thats great.

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Re: 82 verses 83 gearing

Postby f1xrupr » Thu Jan 01, 2015 7:48 am

If that 82 is still running good with no real issues, I think I would put that 80 back together, back the valve adjustments to loose, and hydro lock that engine with motor oil, put it in the garage, and keep riding that 82 with confidence, and keep us posted each time you trip another 100000 miles (should the good Lord tarry).

Sounds like changing that engine out with that 80 would make a good trailer puller though.


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