GL1100 starter chain noise


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GL1100 starter chain noise

Postby fr1tz » Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:56 pm



Hey yall I just installed a new starter and you would not beleave the chain noise, sounds like the chain is jumping teeth on the sprocket, all I could think about was I don't want to pull this motor. Any thoughts Fritz


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Re: GL1100 starter chain noise

Postby dingdong » Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:22 am

I'm not sure of the manufacturer but there are aftermarket starters with a sprocket that is smaller than the original. I think you can use the sprocket from the old starter and solve the problem.
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Re: GL1100 starter chain noise

Postby fr1tz » Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:23 am

For those who may be interested I found a way to fix the starter clutch problem with out pulling the engine, may be someone has already devised a way of doing this, just thought I'd put it out there - Fritz
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Re: GL1100 starter chain noise

Postby fr1tz » Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:39 am

Hey DingDong I found that it is not the chain or spocket making the noise it is the clutch assembly, the problem is the three rollers small pistons & springs are dryed up and make a nasty chatering noise. I was told by the local honda shop that the engine must be pulled, not so says Fritz. In my case the new starter with more power amplified the clutch problem. So if there is anyone out there that has an older wing and can not afford to pay hundreds of dallars to fix this simple problem on a bike only worth a couple hundred I have a
cheap way out. Fritz
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Re: GL1100 starter chain noise

Postby redial » Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:57 am

Hey Fritz, you are allowed to share your process with us. If you do, photos are always appreciated.
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Re: GL1100 starter chain noise

Postby WingAdmin » Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:14 am

fr1tz wrote:Hey DingDong I found that it is not the chain or spocket making the noise it is the clutch assembly, the problem is the three rollers small pistons & springs are dryed up and make a nasty chatering noise. I was told by the local honda shop that the engine must be pulled, not so says Fritz. In my case the new starter with more power amplified the clutch problem. So if there is anyone out there that has an older wing and can not afford to pay hundreds of dallars to fix this simple problem on a bike only worth a couple hundred I have a
cheap way out. Fritz


Those sprags (that's what those things are called) should not be dried up, because there is engine oil back there! What does happen is that due to poor oil flow, sludge tends to build up and prevent the sprags from engaging, with the result that the starter just spins without turning the engine. I haven't heard of this chattering noise before. What did you do to fix this?

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Re: GL1100 starter chain noise

Postby fr1tz » Thu Nov 06, 2014 12:12 pm

OK guys I'll put together my process with pic's this weekend, my problem is with my 82 trike that I purchased the new starter for, meanwhile I got into my spare parts (generator) bike to evaluate the situation and I came up with a process to lubricate and clean up the old dryed up oil film on the spages, after experimenting on my parts bike I used that process on the trike. Oh and yes that part of the engine does get oil but not a steady flow, I may be wrong in my thought process but it worked great on the trike. Fritz
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Re: GL1100 starter chain noise

Postby rudolphwolven » Mon Nov 10, 2014 6:06 am

A novel way of fixing starter clutch squeal
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Re: GL1100 starter chain noise

Postby fr1tz » Mon Nov 10, 2014 8:28 am

Hey Rudolphwolven Thank you so much for the web site, this is exactly what I did just haven't put it to paper, I would hope that Admin would add this web site to our "HOW TO" articals, this is more I could ever hope for. Thanks again Great Job Fritz
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Re: GL1100 starter chain noise

Postby fr1tz » Sun Nov 16, 2014 9:32 pm

Hey guys I did the Seafoam short cut and it seemed to work just fine BUT it didn't I had to bite the bullet, pulled the starter clutch assembly from my spare parts bike, the only differance between the two was the spring length, my trike sprage springs where to short one was about 7/16 inch the second was 1/8 th short and the third was the same length as the parts bike springs. So any way does any one know what would cause the srpings to weaken? even thou I had to do it the hard way thank you guys again for the info, I learned a lot this go around. Fritz
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Re: GL1100 starter chain noise

Postby WingAdmin » Mon Nov 17, 2014 11:52 am

fr1tz wrote:Hey guys I did the Seafoam short cut and it seemed to work just fine BUT it didn't I had to bite the bullet, pulled the starter clutch assembly from my spare parts bike, the only differance between the two was the spring length, my trike sprage springs where to short one was about 7/16 inch the second was 1/8 th short and the third was the same length as the parts bike springs. So any way does any one know what would cause the srpings to weaken? even thou I had to do it the hard way thank you guys again for the info, I learned a lot this go around. Fritz


Springs weaken from being compressed - the ACTION of being compressed and expanded, not just being compressed.

Springs that are left compressed do not wear out - it is the action of being compressed and expanded that wears out the molecular bonds in the steel and makes them weaken. So the more times the bike has been started, the weaker the springs will be.

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Re: GL1100 starter chain noise

Postby fr1tz » Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:15 am

Thanks Admin oh by the way the trike is working just fine, guess doing it the "rite" way is best Thanks Fritz.


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