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my stater just spins

Postby huskerboy » Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:32 pm



hey, out there my starter did turn my engine but now you can hear the starter just spins, it did at one time make a clicking noise. but now it just spins and not turn the engine over, can somebody help me out? I have a 1980 gw 1100i
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Re: my stater just spins

Postby roadwanderer2 » Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:45 pm

huskerboy wrote:hey, out there my starter did turn my engine but now you can hear the starter just spins, it did at one time make a clicking noise. but now it just spins and not turn the engine over, can somebody help me out? I have a 1980 gw 1100i


ok, mine sometimes does the same thing when I go to start the engine cold. it could be one of 3 things or a combination of all of them. first, the clicking could be coming from the starter solenoid, the spinning sound could be from the starter itself or the starter clutch which is located inside the motor. when you press the starter button and the starter spins, does It sound like it wants to engage once it stops spinning? if its doing that, let it stop then try pressing the starter button again to see if it engages. do this several times, it might catch and fire up. without hearing it, its hard to tell exactly what its doing. if I was able to hear it, I could tell you exactly what its doing.

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Re: my stater just spins

Postby huskerboy » Sat Feb 28, 2015 9:43 pm

This is what happen, I tried to start the bike and it would just turn over and not fire, the guy I bought it from said the carbs needed to be cleaned, so at first it turned over fine, then it sounded like it was getting harder to turn over(the engine) someone said hydro locked,.so the the starter made a clicking noise. Like something was going in and out. So I tried more time and now you just hear the starter spin.
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Re: my stater just spins

Postby rudolphwolven » Sat Feb 28, 2015 10:05 pm

A novel way of fixing starter clutch squeal............
Starter clutch not engaging/'84 Aspencade..............

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2) viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1335
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Postby roadwanderer2 » Sun Mar 01, 2015 9:01 am

huskerboy wrote:This is what happen, I tried to start the bike and it would just turn over and not fire, the guy I bought it from said the carbs needed to be cleaned, so at first it turned over fine, then it sounded like it was getting harder to turn over(the engine) someone said hydro locked,.so the the starter made a clicking noise. Like something was going in and out. So I tried more time and now you just hear the starter spin.


'morning husker, so now the starter just spins without engaging at all?

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Re: my stater just spins

Postby huskerboy » Sun Mar 01, 2015 9:11 am

Yes, that's all it will do,
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Postby roadwanderer2 » Sun Mar 01, 2015 9:13 am

huskerboy wrote:Yes, that's all it will do,


ok, let me look at what the troubleshooting says in my repair manual as to what can cause it and i'll be right back.

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Postby roadwanderer2 » Sun Mar 01, 2015 9:19 am

roadwanderer2 wrote:
huskerboy wrote:Yes, that's all it will do,


ok, let me look at what the troubleshooting says in my repair manual as to what can cause it and i'll be right back.

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ok, it says to check the starter drive gears, chains, sprockets and the starter drive clutch. my bet is the starter drive clutch. if you push the starter button and the starter spins then stops, does it sound like its engaging once it slows down and stops? you should hear a couple of "clunks" like gears meshing together when it finally engages when it stops spinning. you might have to press the starter button a few times to make that happen.

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Re: my stater just spins

Postby huskerboy » Sun Mar 01, 2015 9:28 am

I going to go out and fine out later,..the bike is in terms garage. And it kinda cold today (Minnesota) ..lol
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Postby roadwanderer2 » Sun Mar 01, 2015 9:39 am

huskerboy wrote:I going to go out and fine out later,..the bike is in terms garage. And it kinda cold today (Minnesota) ..lol



ok, not a problem, when you try starting it, listen for when the starter just about stops spinning to hear if it makes any "clunking/gear meshing" sounds. if it does that, try pressing the starter button again. you might have to do it a few times to hear if it catches the starter gear. once it does that, it should engage the starter and fire up. if it don't, then its the starter clutch that's inside the motor. keeping my fingers crossed it aint. if it is, that motor has to come off the frame to fix it. you could change out the starter, but I don't think that would do any good.

if you can manage to get it started, let it warm up, shut it off then try to start it up again. it should fire right up. if it starts up on the first try once its warmed up, it should be the starter clutch. I wish there was a way I could hear what its doing, then I would have a better idea of what's going on with it.

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Re: my stater just spins

Postby huskerboy » Sun Mar 01, 2015 9:44 am

Thank you I will keep you posted, this is my first bike, and I font want to mess it up, can't want till summer
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Postby roadwanderer2 » Sun Mar 01, 2015 9:50 am

huskerboy wrote:Thank you I will keep you posted, this is my first bike, and I font want to mess it up, can't want till summer


oh believe me, I hear ya on that.

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Postby huskerboy » Sun Mar 01, 2015 12:11 pm

so I just went out and tried to start the bike, and the starter DID turned the engine over this time, so I guest all is well, i went on ebay to look for a bike manual , and seen a few, what one do you think i should get are they all the same . is Haynes a good one
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Postby roadwanderer2 » Sun Mar 01, 2015 12:16 pm

huskerboy wrote:so I just went out and tried to start the bike, and the starter DID turned the engine over this time, so I guest all is well, i went on ebay to look for a bike manual , and seen a few, what one do you think i should get are they all the same . is Haynes a good one


I hate to burst your bubble, but all is not well. if it happened once, it WILL happen again. what is the temp of where your bike is now. is it above freezing?

personally, I like the Haynes manual better than Clymer. the Haynes manual gives you more detailed instructions like more photos with arrows and explanations than the Clymer manual does.

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Re: my stater just spins

Postby huskerboy » Sun Mar 01, 2015 12:20 pm

oh ok , the temp is about 20 deg will that have something to do with it doing that??
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Postby roadwanderer2 » Sun Mar 01, 2015 12:33 pm

huskerboy wrote:oh ok , the temp is about 20 deg will that have something to do with it doing that??


well, I found that with mine, it only does this when its very cold outside as my garage doesn't have any heat inside to keep the bike motor warm. in the late spring or in the summer months, it wont do it. only when its cold outside will my starter give me any problems, and I have NO ambition to remove the motor to replace the starter clutch, not to mention the cost of it. if you have a bike shop do the repairs, expect to spend upwards of 300-500 dollars because like I said earlier, the motor must be removed from the frame. 85% of the cost will be for labor to tear it apart and put it back together again.

you can however find a starter and the starter clutch on eBay, for example............ go onto eBay and type into the searchbox......"1980 Honda GL1100 starter clutch" and it will bring up a whole page of starter clutches and parts. the prices will vary, but don't just buy the first one you look at, check them ALL, try to find the ones that came off the bikes with the least amount of mileage on them, check the condition, see how clean they are, READ ALL THE PARTS "DISCRIPTIONS" then make your choice based on that. try to find the ones with "free shipping" as this will keep the cost down for you. some of these parts will interchange with most of the GL1100 wings from 80-83

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Re: my stater just spins

Postby rudolphwolven » Sun Mar 01, 2015 12:57 pm

Hi huskerboy,

No, no, no.....for 90% no need for removing starter, clutch etc.
Most probabely the springs in the starterclutch are a little frozen by lack of lubrication (it is not lubricated; running dry after many years)......therefore sometimes yes and sometimes no/also temp. dependant.
See article: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=12909
Drill a small hole on the indicated spot of the engine housing (is very, very easy); lubricate the springs/rollers through one of the three holes of the coupling itself with some shots of penetrating oil and it will couple smooth again for many years.
Close hole with some bolt or insert plastic/rubber cover; it is a non-pressurised and dry area.

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Re: my stater just spins

Postby huskerboy » Sun Mar 01, 2015 1:27 pm

Thanks. For the information, I did buy a starter thinking that was the problem, so now I have a spare, and I'm going to wait till it warm up to try again to start it, don't want to mess any thing up,
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Postby roadwanderer2 » Sun Mar 01, 2015 1:28 pm

rudolphwolven wrote:Hi huskerboy,

No, no, no.....for 90% no need for removing starter, clutch etc.
Most probabely the springs in the starterclutch are a little frozen by lack of lubrication (it is not lubricated; running dry after many years)......therefore sometimes yes and sometimes no/also temp. dependant.
See article: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=12909
Drill a small hole on the indicated spot of the engine housing (is very, very easy); lubricate the springs/rollers through one of the three holes of the coupling itself with some shots of penetrating oil and it will couple smooth again for many years.
Close hole with some bolt or insert plastic/rubber cover; it is a non-pressurised and dry area.

Regards, Ruud


I saw that article and I understand that, what im saying is if you need to replace the starter clutch itself, (not the transmission clutch) you have to take the motor off the frame to get to it.

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Re: my stater just spins

Postby WingAdmin » Sun Mar 01, 2015 3:05 pm

No need to drill holes in the starter housing. Pour a can of Seafoam into the oil, get the bike started (either with the starter or by push-starting it), and run it like that, gently (no hard acceleration) for a good hour. Then change the oil. Nine times out of ten this will fix the stuck starter sprag issue that usually causes this problem.

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Re: my stater just spins

Postby huskerboy » Sun Mar 01, 2015 3:08 pm

Thank you I will try that first
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Re: my stater just spins

Postby Pam » Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:40 am

My son had the same issue on his 83. We did the seafoam in the oil trick and cleaned up the stater, and re-lubed the starter gears right in the starter. The grease was old dirty and just like gunk. Problem fixed

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Re: my stater just spins

Postby huskerboy » Tue Mar 03, 2015 6:57 pm

Thanks, going to try it when it warms up outside
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