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Leaning to Far help

Postby ram11397 » Wed Mar 11, 2015 3:28 pm



Hi,
Sorry only thread i found 2012 nobody responded ,
i have checked side stand seems straight to me, bolted together correctly but the welded bracket that it's bolted on to seems to stick way father out from frame than some pictures i seen on here can it be bent back some how?

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Postby roadwanderer2 » Wed Mar 11, 2015 4:05 pm

can you upload a photo of it, that way I can do some checking between your photo and the side stand that's on my 83 aspy. and let you know. hopefully yes, if not, you'll have to get another side stand. if you have to replace it, I can find them for you.

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Re: Leaning to Far help

Postby Fatwing Chris » Wed Mar 11, 2015 4:47 pm

Isn't the sidestand attached to the removeable chunk of frame?The piece of frame that you take out to get the motor out?If so I would just replace it as it must already be weak.Rotting from the inside.If it's not bent then maybe you just have to much air in the suspension.Less air=less lean.
If I'da known it would last this long,I'da taken better care of it.
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Re: Leaning to Far help

Postby ram11397 » Wed Mar 11, 2015 4:52 pm

the bracket looks welded on the frame then side stand bolted to that I take pictures later today and post to show
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Re: Leaning to Far help

Postby ram11397 » Wed Mar 11, 2015 5:30 pm

Hard to get camera in right position will try again tomorrow

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Postby roadwanderer2 » Wed Mar 11, 2015 6:39 pm

from what my parts manual shows, that side stand part is welded to a separate sub frame which is a part by itself. the stock OEM number for that sub frame is 50114-463-000ZA *NH1*, but I doubt if your gonna find it. maybe at a motorcycle salvage yard perhaps? or on eBay MAYBE.

I just found 2 of them on eBay. type 371105323342 into the eBay searchbox, it will take you to the page with both of them on it. compare the 2 of them to your bike's frame. they might be the same.

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Re: Leaning to Far help

Postby ram11397 » Wed Mar 11, 2015 10:24 pm

thanks for the information Hope sub frame can come off without moving bunch of stuff lol

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Re: Leaning to Far help

Postby littlebeaver » Thu Mar 12, 2015 6:39 am

Makes you wonder if someone rewelded that... I rarely use the sidestand for any period of time..

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Re: Leaning to Far help

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Re: Leaning to Far help

Postby auctioneeral » Thu Mar 12, 2015 8:03 am

Your second picture look's like the hole is worn out, egg shape. Put bike on center stand and grab side stand and see if it wiggles around.


As far as taking it off, I have both my off on both bike's because of removing motor's.
If I rember correcly you have to take off
motor guards
running boards
I know one motor mount bolt back by starter.
The hardest thing is getting the sub frame to release from frame once you take the bolts off, I used a hammer and tap it to breal loose.

If you do take it off put a jack under motor near left side to support motor a little, motor will not drop out or anything.
I had my out and put motor back in and left that support off and started motor without any trouble.
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Re: Leaning to Far help

Postby auctioneeral » Thu Mar 12, 2015 8:04 am

I have 2 laying in shed I will take a picture of them today and put on here.

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Re: Leaning to Far help

Postby roadwanderer2 » Thu Mar 12, 2015 8:33 am

in the 4th photo, it looks to me that the part where the bolt goes thru the mounting hole is bent outward which is causing the kick stand to lean out farther than it should and the kick stand itself where the bolt goes thru it looks to be spread open a little more than it should be. even if you took the kick stand off and used a hammer to tap the mounting hole back inward, it might weaken that mounting plate after you put the kick stand back on. I think you might have 3 options here. first, try to hammer that mounting plate back inward a little, 2nd, have a new mounting plate welded on, and 3rd, remove the entire section and get another one and put a new one on.

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Re: Leaning to Far help

Postby auctioneeral » Thu Mar 12, 2015 8:54 am

These are pictures of my subframe.
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Postby roadwanderer2 » Thu Mar 12, 2015 9:09 am

now see, the mounting bracket on yours looks perfectly parallel compared to the one in ram's photos. my suggestion would be to replace that entire sub frame so as not to worry about it bending out more to make the bike fall over when he puts the kick stand down. let me check to see if yours and his are interchangeable. brb.

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Postby roadwanderer2 » Thu Mar 12, 2015 9:16 am

ok, from what my parts manual shows, all the wings from 80-83 uses the same sub frame. the OEM # is.....50114-463-000ZA, and they are interchangeable. ram, you might want to talk to auctioneeral about purchasing one of the extra ones he has that way you wont have to worry about yours breaking and having your bike falling over.

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Postby auctioneeral » Thu Mar 12, 2015 9:19 am

stuart There not extra ones. They are for my bikes, i have off because motors are out of bikes. If i did have extra i would give it to him.

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Postby roadwanderer2 » Thu Mar 12, 2015 9:23 am

auctioneeral wrote:stuart There not extra ones. They are for my bikes, i have off because motors are out of bikes. If i did have extra i would give it to him.


oh, ok, sorry, my bad, I thought those were extra ones you had laying around. well, there are a few of them listed on eBay. maybe he can get one off of there. right now im on my way to the auto parts store to get new s/plugs for my bike, then its off to the bike shop to find out how much it'll cost to have the valves adjusted. im sure it aint gonna be cheap as nothing on these wings are when it comes to repairs lol.

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Postby auctioneeral » Thu Mar 12, 2015 9:31 am

stuart Why not adjust your valves yourself. Not hard.

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Postby roadwanderer2 » Thu Mar 12, 2015 10:53 am

auctioneeral wrote:stuart Why not adjust your valves yourself. Not hard.


I would love to, but from what my repair manual shows, its too involved for me to do and I don't want to take the risk of getting it wrong and bend a push rod or a valve. id rather have someone that knows what he's doing do it. my friend at the auto parts store works on bikes, so im thinking about letting him do it. he wont charge me much for the work and I trust him more than I trust the bike shops in my area. there's one shop that I let do a complete rebuilding job on the carbs on my silverwing, charged me over 700 dollars to do it and it never ran right after they got done with it. he told me to bring it back and they would redo it, but I wouldn't, and from what I've read on his shop's reviews, I wouldn't trust him to change a tire much less go back into my carbs again. so I just dealt with the way the bike ran. it had a nasty hesitation whenever I twisted the throttle. let me put it this way, the bike ran better BEFORE I brought it to him.

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Re: Leaning to Far help

Postby WingAdmin » Thu Mar 12, 2015 1:50 pm

roadwanderer2 wrote:
auctioneeral wrote:stuart Why not adjust your valves yourself. Not hard.


I would love to, but from what my repair manual shows, its too involved for me to do and I don't want to take the risk of getting it wrong and bend a push rod or a valve. id rather have someone that knows what he's doing do it. my friend at the auto parts store works on bikes, so im thinking about letting him do it. he wont charge me much for the work and I trust him more than I trust the bike shops in my area. there's one shop that I let do a complete rebuilding job on the carbs on my silverwing, charged me over 700 dollars to do it and it never ran right after they got done with it. he told me to bring it back and they would redo it, but I wouldn't, and from what I've read on his shop's reviews, I wouldn't trust him to change a tire much less go back into my carbs again. so I just dealt with the way the bike ran. it had a nasty hesitation whenever I twisted the throttle. let me put it this way, the bike ran better BEFORE I brought it to him.

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Adjusting valves is really a simple, easy job. You don't need to worry about bending a pushrod, because your bike doesn't have any (overhead cams). Have a look: How to adjust your valve clearances

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Re: Leaning to Far help

Postby littlebeaver » Thu Mar 12, 2015 2:35 pm

Maybe you can heat up the rod for the sidestand and bend it back so the bike will stand more upright...

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Postby roadwanderer2 » Thu Mar 12, 2015 3:37 pm

littlebeaver wrote:Maybe you can heat up the rod for the sidestand and bend it back so the bike will stand more upright...


that's not a bad idea if it can be bend just slightly enough to make it work. it looks like it only needs to be bent about 1/2 inch if that. If it were mine, I would put the bike on the center stand, take the spring off so it don't get too hot and break and bend the kickstand back about 2 thirds of the way up from the bottom so it doesn't weaken the mounting bolt.

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Re: Leaning to Far help

Postby littlebeaver » Thu Mar 12, 2015 5:13 pm

I would unbolt the rod completely, place it in a vise heat and bend and reassemble, Bam.... :lol: Become a blacksmith lol.... Blacksmith wannabee :lol:

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Postby roadwanderer2 » Thu Mar 12, 2015 5:28 pm

littlebeaver wrote:I would unbolt the rod completely, place it in a vise heat and bend and reassemble, Bam.... :lol: Become a blacksmith lol.... Blacksmith wannabee :lol:


LOL@ become a blacksmith.

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Re: Leaning to Far help

Postby ram11397 » Thu Mar 12, 2015 9:36 pm

Thanks for all the ideas and tips i will take it over my friends house when weather is a little better, see if he can heat and bend or weld replacement. will let you know what happens might be couple of weeks until we have real riding weather lol

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