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Postby adampiel » Wed Mar 18, 2015 12:16 pm



Gonna try it myself any advice



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Postby roadwanderer2 » Wed Mar 18, 2015 6:09 pm

adampiel wrote:Gonna try it myself any advice


there are some articles in the "how-to" section that should be able to help you. im thinking about doing it to mine also.

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Postby auctioneeral » Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:12 pm

Just pull motor and pull rear cover off. Stator inside rear cover.

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Postby roadwanderer2 » Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:29 pm

oh yeah, sure, just pull the motor off and remove the back cover. and while we're at it, lets sandblast the engine and repaint it and rip the carbs apart and rebuild them too. glad you think its that easy :o :? :lol:. you know im just messing with ya right? I wish I could take the motor off of mine to replace the stator on mine also, but I cant do it alone, I would need some help and I don't have anyone around here that's capable of helping me. I would also have the carbs sent to pistol Pete's for a rebuild but that's not in my financial budget. it would take me about 6 months to save up enough for that. and while all that's being done, I would repaint all the plastics.

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Re: replacing stator

Postby auctioneeral » Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:38 pm

Hey thats about what I'm doing on 2 GL1100. They are project's.

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Postby roadwanderer2 » Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:51 pm

well damn, wish I had 2 bikes to tear down and rebuild while I had another one to ride. do you have a daily rider bike other than the 2 your working on?

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Postby auctioneeral » Wed Mar 18, 2015 8:12 pm

Hell no. I used to work on garden tractors and flip them no $ in that. Told wife I'm going to buy Goldwing cheap and work on it. Well, i brought a non runner 1981 naked figure I rip it apart and see how they were made. That motor had bent valves. Started ripping it apart to fix, And done you know i see another 81 in Boston on craigslist, called and got that real cheap and had it hauled here. That one started but been sitting for a yr. So i pulled motor on that to so I could work on them this winter. Well thats going slowly because of cold weather and me being down since FEB. with surgery on removing intensities. But I'm not cutting corner's on either. Having heads done,replacing water pumps,stats,timing belts,and redoing carbs. Then the bikes will get brake jobs. It's just giving me something to do. I have to rip and tear at something.

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Postby roadwanderer2 » Wed Mar 18, 2015 8:56 pm

let me ask you something. is your garage insulated and heated? mine isn't and cinderblock holds in all that cold air. you got lucky with the 2nd bike you got. there's a few around here that I can pick up cheap. one is an 86 1200 that needs some work and its only $700.00 and a few others for $800 and up, but those look like rat bikes lol. there's a 75 naked wing for $425.00 that's a "project" bike. if I had the money to spare, I would get a few of them and go thru them just to fix and flip, but the 86 1200 I would most likely keep.

and with this posting, im logging off for the night. sleep well yawl. see ya's in the mornin.

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Re: replacing stator

Postby tom84std » Wed Mar 18, 2015 10:30 pm

Or you could just build 'em in the house.


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Re: replacing stator

Postby littlebeaver » Wed Mar 18, 2015 11:26 pm

LOL Tom....... :lol: :lol: Adam, I would be very very careful while removing your engine, don't bang up the PG (Pulse Generator) in the rear of the engine...There is a shaft in there that spins, you don't want to bang it around... When you have the engine out check and clean the PG while you are there.. that's my advice to you sir.... :D Oh hey man,, Welcome to the site.... Oh, I have not removed my engine yet but I read a lot and on many sites, I read and I learn...don't bang it... :D

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Postby roadwanderer2 » Thu Mar 19, 2015 7:14 am

tom84std wrote:Or you could just build 'em in the house.

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LOL, yeah, my wife would love me if I did that especially on our new living room carpet :o.

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Re: replacing stator

Postby spiralout » Thu Mar 19, 2015 7:16 am

roadwanderer2 wrote:oh yeah, sure, just pull the motor off and remove the back cover. and while we're at it, lets sandblast the engine and repaint it and rip the carbs apart and rebuild them too. glad you think its that easy :o :? :lol:. you know im just messing with ya right? I wish I could take the motor off of mine to replace the stator on mine also, but I cant do it alone, I would need some help and I don't have anyone around here that's capable of helping me. I would also have the carbs sent to pistol Pete's for a rebuild but that's not in my financial budget. it would take me about 6 months to save up enough for that. and while all that's being done, I would repaint all the plastics.

[start rant] Pulling the motor out, replacing the stator, repainting the engine, pulling the carbs apart for a clean or rebuild is what a lot of people on this forum do. That's why we're here, to either learn to do what they need to or to give advice to others on how to do it. Plus, you don't know that your stator needs replacing anyway. You need to troubleshoot to find out where your charging problem is. For the cost of an 1100 carb kit from Randall Washington and time spent reading instead of posting, you can clean and rebuild your carbs as well as Pete Boody can.
I, having no hands on experience with GLs at all, rebuilt a set of 755A's and a set 764A's and overhauled the brake system on my 1000 and 1100 using threads on here and other sites. I also (with the help of an 18 pack of Icehouse and some CCR on the Ipod) pulled the motor from a '77 and bolted it into an '80 1100, by myself, at night, in a garage that had no power, with two mini-mags for light, some boards and a floor jack (the snap ring on the output shaft is a MFer under the best of conditions).

roadwanderer2 wrote:well damn, wish I had 2 bikes to tear down and rebuild while I had another one to ride. do you have a daily rider bike other than the 2 your working on?

roadwanderer2 wrote:let me ask you something. is your garage insulated and heated? mine isn't and cinderblock holds in all that cold air. you got lucky with the 2nd bike you got. there's a few around here that I can pick up cheap. one is an 86 1200 that needs some work and its only $700.00 and a few others for $800 and up, but those look like rat bikes lol. there's a 75 naked wing for $425.00 that's a "project" bike. if I had the money to spare, I would get a few of them and go thru them just to fix and flip, but the 86 1200 I would most likely keep.

and with this posting, im logging off for the night. sleep well yawl. see ya's in the mornin.


Seems like almost every thread here lately gets hijacked and off topic. I hate to have to say all this as a reply to OP adampiel's first and only post here, but this thread is a good example of what I'm talking about. There is a Chat section and PMs for the off-topic stuff.
This is a "How-To" and "DIY" forum, not a "turn every thread here into an off-topic chat about whatever you feel like being social about today" or "all about me" thread. This topic was posted in the Tech Talk section, instead of the 1100 section (excusable for someone's first post here) but should not have been turned into a " how many bikes" or "is your garage heated" discussion with someone who replied to the OP.

I discovered this site a few years ago when I acquired my first GL, a '75. I read everything I could between here, NGW, Classic and Saunder's about maintenance and repairs. Using these sites, I got my 1000 that had sat for untold years back on the road. Same with my 1100 when I got it. I learned enough to transplant a '77 1000 motor into it. When I got my 1500, I made this my go to/everyday reading site because I discovered it was the best as far as 1500 info and How-To's and had pretty good OT sections. I rarely visit the other sites anymore because I'm mainly focused on the 1500 now and love reading the non technical sections of the board here.

One thing I remember well when a still a newbie to GLs, reading everything I possibly could about them, was when using the search tool to find a thread that related to what I was looking for was that it was a PITA reading through pages of a thread just to find it was full of BS off topic posts about "is your garage heated" or "do you have other bikes to ride"?

I know Scott has his hands full and there are no other mods here, so please try to keep it on topic with your 20 posts a day!!! It's getting really old. [/end rant]

Back on topic,,,

If you've never removed the engine before there's a good write up on it here http://www.ngwclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=136651#p136651. It's for a 1000 but it;s pretty much the same for the 1100 besides the electrical. As far as advice on the stator, you should clean the rollers and parts for the starter clutch while you're in there.

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Postby roadwanderer2 » Thu Mar 19, 2015 7:52 am

uhh, gee sprialout, nice to see you have almost the same garage as I do. glad you were able to do all those things to your bikes. yes, I have read a lot of the "how-to" articles in here and they are most helpful, but there's a lot of things I still cant do because of my physical limitations and my mechanical abilities, but I try anyway. I admit, I talk about different things and I may get off topic at some points, but its also a way to engage others into conversations that might lead to other areas of helping. if you take being social out of the equation what's left is just mundane chatter. yes I know there's other sites with good information as there is in here, but this site is better than the others because of the PEOPLE that are here and their experiences with their wings and other things. for instance, my stator, I've read all the posting replies and even went onto YouTube and found other testing methods that I am going to try to see if I cant find an answer to my problem and I will post my findings once I find out and in doing so it might help someone else that has a stator problem.

by the way, I took a look at that link you posted about removing the motor from the bike, very interesting. im going to be saving that and reading it quite a few times as it looks like it will be very helpful if and when the time comes for me to have to remove the motor from my bikes frame. this is my first g/w and there's a lot of things on it that I don't understand yet. its much more complicated than the other bikes I've had in the past. never had to deal with a stator charging problem or a starter clutch problem before and this is actually my first time trying to use a DVM and I cant make any sense out of it. when it comes to electrical things, im no good at it.

anyway.......im sorry if I seem to be rambling on, but I just thought I would say what's on my mind at this point in time and im sorry if my postings upset you. i'll try to keep it more simple in the future.

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Postby roadwanderer2 » Thu Mar 19, 2015 9:21 am

ok, I just did another stator test. I first tested my batter with my DVM set at 20 on the DC setting with the bike off, battery is reading 12.45 volts, I started the bike up, ran it at approx. 2,000rpm, with the neg probe on the neg side of the battery I took the pos probe and touched each stator wire with the pos probe, here's what my readings showed. 1st wire @6.23volts, 2nd wire @6.22volts and the 3rd wire @0.02volts.

was this the correct way to test the stator and with the readings I got, can I assume my stator is bad?

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Postby WingAdmin » Thu Mar 19, 2015 9:52 am

roadwanderer2 wrote:ok, I just did another stator test. I first tested my batter with my DVM set at 20 on the DC setting with the bike off, battery is reading 12.45 volts, I started the bike up, ran it at approx. 2,000rpm, with the neg probe on the neg side of the battery I took the pos probe and touched each stator wire with the pos probe, here's what my readings showed. 1st wire @6.23volts, 2nd wire @6.22volts and the 3rd wire @0.02volts.

was this the correct way to test the stator and with the readings I got, can I assume my stator is bad?

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The stator puts out AC, not DC, so you need to switch your meter to AC and measure the stator on the yellow wires again (be careful, there is potentially lethal voltage present there). You should see no less than 48 VAC on each pair of yellow wires.

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Postby roadwanderer2 » Thu Mar 19, 2015 10:16 am

hey wingadmin. where do I put the neg probe, do I put it on the neg side of the battery? ground it to the frame? on the ACV settings, I have 2 different settings, one is ACV500 and the other is ACV200, which one do I set the dial on? attached is a pic of my DVM.

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Re: replacing stator

Postby Earl43P » Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:41 am

Do these two tests:

Engine not running,
Using Ohms, test each yellow wire (stator side) to a good ground.
All should be open circuit (infinite resistance).
If any have resistance to ground, replace the stator - it has a short to ground.

Then with the engine running, stator plug disconnected (or wires cut) BE CAREFUL - this is lethal voltage/amperage!
say your 3 stator wires are #1, 2, and 3
connect meter to 1 and 2, you should get 50volts AC (you use the 200V setting on YOUR meter)
repeat test with 2 and 3, you should get 50volts AC
repeat test with 1 and 3, you should get 50volts AC

If all of those check good, your stator is good, PERIOD.

If your engine won't run,

You can check the resistance of each yellow stator wire to each other, 1-2, 2-3, 1-3.
All three combinations should be roughly the same ohms reading. If any are open or shorted (zero ohms), stator is bad.
I can't recall how many ohms and don't consider this to be a sure test that the stator is good, but it WILL say if one is bad.
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Postby roadwanderer2 » Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:55 am

Earl43P wrote:Do these two tests:

Engine not running,
Using Ohms, test each yellow wire (stator side) to a good ground.
All should be open circuit (infinite resistance).
If any have resistance to ground, replace the stator - it has a short to ground.

Then with the engine running, stator plug disconnected (or wires cut) BE CAREFUL - this is lethal voltage/amperage!
say your 3 stator wires are #1, 2, and 3
connect meter to 1 and 2, you should get 50volts AC (you use the 200V setting on YOUR meter)
repeat test with 2 and 3, you should get 50volts AC
repeat test with 1 and 3, you should get 50volts AC

If all of those check good, your stator is good, PERIOD.

If your engine won't run,

You can check the resistance of each yellow stator wire to each other, 1-2, 2-3, 1-3.
All three combinations should be roughly the same ohms reading. If any are open or shorted (zero ohms), stator is bad.
I can't recall how many ohms and don't consider this to be a sure test that the stator is good, but it WILL say if one is bad.


are you saying I have to cut the wires I soldered together yesterday to check the stator? is there another plug for it before it gets to the r/r that I can unplug and test it from there?

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roadwanderer2 wrote:hey wingadmin. where do I put the neg probe, do I put it on the neg side of the battery? ground it to the frame? on the ACV settings, I have 2 different settings, one is ACV500 and the other is ACV200, which one do I set the dial on? attached is a pic of my DVM.

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No. When measuring AC, there is no positive or negative. You put one probe on one yellow wire, and the other probe on another yellow wire.

You don't have to undo the soldering job you did - just disconnect the regulator from its plug, which in effect disconnects the stator.

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roadwanderer2 wrote:hey wingadmin. where do I put the neg probe, do I put it on the neg side of the battery? ground it to the frame? on the ACV settings, I have 2 different settings, one is ACV500 and the other is ACV200, which one do I set the dial on? attached is a pic of my DVM.

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No. When measuring AC, there is no positive or negative. You put one probe on one yellow wire, and the other probe on another yellow wire.

You don't have to undo the soldering job you did - just disconnect the regulator from its plug, which in effect disconnects the stator.


ok, let me try that. what setting on my ACV setting do I use, the 500 or the 200. im gonna give this one more try before I say "the **** with it" and take it to someone that knows what they're doing.

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Re: replacing stator

Postby f1xrupr » Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:46 pm

I think this is a good place for this comment;...in previous topics I have hinted about what I'm going to say here. There is a YouTube video where a guy sets his volt meter to dc volts, and connects one probe to ground, and the other to the stator wires (one at a time) while the stator is hooked up and the bike is running. Now...let me see if I can get this next part clear...that test is wrong-bad-not correct-misleading-unprofessional-improper-flicdacated-....did I day bad yet?
The instructions given above that are not related to that YouTube, are correct, period!

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roadwanderer2 wrote:
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roadwanderer2 wrote:hey wingadmin. where do I put the neg probe, do I put it on the neg side of the battery? ground it to the frame? on the ACV settings, I have 2 different settings, one is ACV500 and the other is ACV200, which one do I set the dial on? attached is a pic of my DVM.

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No. When measuring AC, there is no positive or negative. You put one probe on one yellow wire, and the other probe on another yellow wire.

You don't have to undo the soldering job you did - just disconnect the regulator from its plug, which in effect disconnects the stator.


ok, let me try that. what setting on my ACV setting do I use, the 500 or the 200. im gonna give this one more try before I say "the **** with it" and take it to someone that knows what they're doing.

stuart.


When measuring voltage with a meter, you can never have the meter on too high a setting. So if you start at 500, it will be OK - but it won't be very precise. So set it to 500. If it shows less than the next higher setting (200), then you're OK to switch down to 200.

For instance, say my meter has settings for 500, 200, 100, 50 and 10.

I set it to 500, and the meter reads 48. I would then set it to 100. 50 would probably be safe, but if the voltage went momentarily over 50 volts, it could damage the meter. 10 would be right out.

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Postby WingAdmin » Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:52 pm

f1xrupr wrote:I think this is a good place for this comment;...in previous topics I have hinted about what I'm going to say here. There is a YouTube video where a guy sets his volt meter to dc volts, and connects one probe to ground, and the other to the stator wires (one at a time) while the stator is hooked up and the bike is running. Now...let me see if I can get this next part clear...that test is wrong-bad-not correct-misleading-unprofessional-improper-flicdacated-....did I day bad yet?
The instructions given above that are not related to that YouTube, are correct, period!

Thank you...I feel better now.


Yes, this video has been talked about (and linked) before. It is a perfect example of someone who knows nothing about electricity demonstrating his ignorance by recording a video, then putting it out there as "information" to mislead others. I'm sure he had good intentions, but at the very least it does not give you any diagnostically valid information, and at worst could cook your meter.

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Re: replacing stator

Postby roadwanderer2 » Thu Mar 19, 2015 1:30 pm

WingAdmin wrote:
f1xrupr wrote:I think this is a good place for this comment;...in previous topics I have hinted about what I'm going to say here. There is a YouTube video where a guy sets his volt meter to dc volts, and connects one probe to ground, and the other to the stator wires (one at a time) while the stator is hooked up and the bike is running. Now...let me see if I can get this next part clear...that test is wrong-bad-not correct-misleading-unprofessional-improper-flicdacated-....did I day bad yet?
The instructions given above that are not related to that YouTube, are correct, period!

Thank you...I feel better now.


Yes, this video has been talked about (and linked) before. It is a perfect example of someone who knows nothing about electricity demonstrating his ignorance by recording a video, then putting it out there as "information" to mislead others. I'm sure he had good intentions, but at the very least it does not give you any diagnostically valid information, and at worst could cook your meter.


I saw that video also. guess I can delete it from my desktop so I don't fry my meter.

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Motorcycle: 83 GL1100A aspencade, previously owned, 1981 honda GL500i silverwing interstate, 1974 yamaha xs400, 1974 Honda cb450 twin cam, 1983 honda vt30, 1982 honda 700 shadow, 1972 cb750four, and my first bike, a brand new 1982 honda CM400e. and a new to me 1986 GL1200 aspencade SEi
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Re: replacing stator

Postby roadwanderer2 » Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:37 pm

well, its too late, my meter is no longer working. I don't know what happened to it but it died. I took it back to the parts store to replace and I have to wait until tomorrow for my new one. in the mean time, there's a person that works there part time that teaches auto shop at one of our area high schools. im gonna ask him if he can come over tomorrow evening and give this bike a "look-over" and show me how to check everything and let me what's wrong with it.

stuart.




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