Who do you trust?


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Who do you trust?

Postby ankgrays » Mon Mar 23, 2015 12:55 pm



I stopped at the local Honda dealer to order a tachometer cable.

Then I stopped at the service desk, and picked the service managers brain.

I told him I was thinking of having the timing belts changed, and asked for a ball park price. (2 hrs @ $90/hr AND the cost of the belts)

He asked me how many miles on my '81 GWI.....45k.

THEN he asked me why i wanted to get that done, so I told him that everything I had read on this, and other sites, said change @ about every 40k miles.

He told me that Mother Honda says to INSPECT @ 100k.


SO.....Do I believe YOU guys, or Mother Honda? :?: :?:


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Re: Who do you trust?

Postby roadwanderer2 » Mon Mar 23, 2015 1:24 pm

I've checked all thru my Honda manuals, especially the maintenance section where it gives how many months and at what mileage to do changes and inspections, and nowhere does it give any specific mileage as to when and at what mileage that the drive belts should be changed at. in fact, it doesn't even mention the belts at all. it only says and shows how to inspect them and what to look for as far as cracks and corrosion. I guess it would be up to the individual after inspecting them as to when its time to replace the belts.

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Re: Who do you trust?

Postby harvey01 » Mon Mar 23, 2015 1:28 pm

I tend to always follow the advice of the manufacturer however in this case the bike's age is more important than the mileage.

It is just me but the way I see it is the bike is a 1981 so it is roughly 34 years old. Price to replace is $180 plus cost of parts. Sounds like a pretty good deal to me and well worth doing. I realize the life expectancy of the belt maybe 60-100,000 miles but considering the 34 years I would feel more comfortable with a new belt. And if the old belt breaks at 65,000 miles, more may get screwed up in the engine than just a broken belt.

have you looked at doing this yourself? I am sure a search of the site would turn up a lot of info on how to do it.
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Re: Who do you trust?

Postby Mspinner » Mon Mar 23, 2015 1:35 pm

i kinda was thinking the same thing. i have read alot of posts on this forum...hundreds. and i have yet read about timeing belt breaking and trashing the motor. im sure there is, but a couple out of thousands? prob would happen anyway. my crappy luck in life tells me i should change them.

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Re: Who do you trust?

Postby WingAdmin » Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:23 pm

ankgrays wrote:I stopped at the local Honda dealer to order a tachometer cable.

Then I stopped at the service desk, and picked the service managers brain.

I told him I was thinking of having the timing belts changed, and asked for a ball park price. (2 hrs @ $90/hr AND the cost of the belts)

He asked me how many miles on my '81 GWI.....45k.

THEN he asked me why i wanted to get that done, so I told him that everything I had read on this, and other sites, said change @ about every 40k miles.

He told me that Mother Honda says to INSPECT @ 100k.


SO.....Do I believe YOU guys, or Mother Honda? :?: :?:



This question has been asked over and over again. For the answer, read the introductory section of How to remove and replace your timing belts which explains what they do, why inspecting them is useless, and when to change them.

It's easy for Honda to tell you to inspect them at 100k - they aren't the ones faced with replacing an engine (which hasn't been produced, or had replacement parts produced in 20+ years).

And do they fail? You bet. We've had quite a few people here who have had them fail, without warning. Some just gave up and scrapped their bikes, some found a replacement engine, some were lucky and only had to replace some bent valves.

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Re: Who do you trust?

Postby FlashBack » Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:24 pm

Mspinner wrote:i kinda was thinking the same thing. i have read alot of posts on this forum...hundreds. and i have yet read about timing belt breaking and trashing the motor. i'm sure there is, but a couple out of thousands? prob would happen anyway. my crappy luck in life tells me i should change them.


I am taking on the task of changing out timing belts this coming up weekend on my 83 Interstate. 45,000 and i'm sure they are fine, but for my piece of mind, i have made the decision to attempt the belt replacement on my own. I have done countless research around it and it is more of my own personal anxieties that I haven't done it sooner.

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Re: Who do you trust?

Postby roadwanderer2 » Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:39 pm

well, all I know is this......I have to pull my 1100 motor to replace the stator, and since the bike has 105K on it and I assume the PO never changed them, I might as well change them and the clutch while I have the motor on the ground. im not looking forward to doing it, but I don't have a choice.

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Re: Who do you trust?

Postby littlebeaver » Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:02 pm

Who do you trust? answer: yourself.... :D

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Re: Who do you trust?

Postby roadwanderer2 » Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:10 pm

littlebeaver wrote:Who do you trust? answer: yourself.... :D



well, I hope I can trust myself enough to do the stator, clutch and timing belts myself. this will be the first time I have to pull a motor off a bike to do this kind of work and im not too happy about doing it :roll:.

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Re: Who do you trust?

Postby Wilcoy02 » Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:43 pm

When I took my engine out 83 gl1100 I left the carbs in the frame and did NOT disconnect the cables to the carbs.

Have you considered putting an alternator on instead of replacing the stator? You get a lot more power for lights, heated gear and any other electrical thing you want to add. With the stator you are restricted to just the lights and not a lot of other items. With the alternator you do not need to pull the engine.

If you are replacing the clutch then you just might have to pull the engine.

Little beaver did an excellent write up on how to do the belts. Write the date and mileage on the back side of the timing belt covers so it is written for the next time the covers are removed.

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Re: Who do you trust?

Postby littlebeaver » Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:02 pm

Actually Todd did the write up here...viewtopic.php?f=11&t=14362
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Re: Who do you trust?

Postby roadwanderer2 » Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:02 pm

Wilcoy02 wrote:When I took my engine out 83 gl1100 I left the carbs in the frame and did NOT disconnect the cables to the carbs.

Have you considered putting an alternator on instead of replacing the stator? You get a lot more power for lights, heated gear and any other electrical thing you want to add. With the stator you are restricted to just the lights and not a lot of other items. With the alternator you do not need to pull the engine.

If you are replacing the clutch then you just might have to pull the engine.

Little beaver did an excellent write up on how to do the belts. Write the date and mileage on the back side of the timing belt covers so it is written for the next time the covers are removed.


well, see, there in lies the problem, I already have a complete clutch and clutch gasket all ready to go in and I have someone sending me a stator, but its a used one, so I need to test that one first, and if it's no good, I have to buy a new one, so, do I remove the motor and spend maybe 200 on the stator and the gaskets, or spend close to 500 to do the alt conversion, and while I have the motor off, I'd like to send my carbs out for a complete rebuilding also. its all a matter of $$$$. being on s/s one can only do so much at a time. I would LOVE to do the conversion, but it would cost a small fortune for it and almost as much work too, and now that riding season is just 'round the corner, I don't want to lay the bike up any more than I have to. I would also, if I decided to do all this, would have to cancel my ride down to Florida this year :(. I cant afford to do both.

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Re: Who do you trust?

Postby littlebeaver » Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:04 pm

Ankgrays , not too many guys will report if their belts broke on them,,, it's kinda embarrassing....I know of several on other sites...terrible results...

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Re: Who do you trust?

Postby RoadRogue » Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:16 pm

Your bike is 34 years old, I am assuming that with only 45,000 miles you also have the original belts in there. Do you trust 34 year old belts? WHEN one breaks it WILL do alot of damage to the motor. Changing belts is easy with simple hand tools, you can do it with the how to articles here on the forum. We are always around to help with any problems you may encounter along the way. 8-)
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Re: Who do you trust?

Postby RoadRogue » Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:25 pm

roadwanderer2 wrote:well, all I know is this......I have to pull my 1100 motor to replace the stator, and since the bike has 105K on it and I assume the PO never changed them, I might as well change them and the clutch while I have the motor on the ground. im not looking forward to doing it, but I don't have a choice.

stuart.

How does this help Ankgrays? This is called hijacking a thread. He is asking for our help with his problem, this is not an opportunity for to tell us about your issues again on yet another thread. Seriously you need to stop doing this. PM sent as well. 8-)
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Re: Who do you trust?

Postby Wilcoy02 » Mon Mar 23, 2015 11:02 pm

If you pull the engine to do the clutch then you might as well change the stator while you are there.
Clean out the oil screen also while engine is out.

You could always add an alternator later. My bike still has the stator in it so if my alt. belt breaks I can plug the stator plug back together and not be stranded. The alternator is one of two of the best things I have done to my ride.

Let us know what you do.

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Re: Who do you trust?

Postby f1xrupr » Tue Mar 24, 2015 7:38 am

My 2 cents....a new bike, you can make payments for 5 years?....a good used bike, you can make payments for 3 years?......or, for about 1 payment (or less), you can ride another 100,000 miles on the bike you have?.....hmmmm :idea:
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Re: Who do you trust?

Postby dingdong » Tue Mar 24, 2015 7:45 am

I have had a belt break on my 76 with 38k miles in 2004. Bike was 28 years old at that time and had been sitting for a number of years. I inspected the belts and they "looked" like new. No cracks or worn teeth. The belts will "look" like new in almost every case. Age, especially if it has been sitting for a time, is the cause of broken belts. Now you have heard of someone who has had a belt break. :D ;) Recommendation: Change the belts now.... or later along with a couple of bent valves and or pistons.

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Re: Who do you trust?

Postby f1xrupr » Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:00 am

Hey Tom, were you able to fix it, or was it trashed?
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Re: Who do you trust?

Postby ankgrays » Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:14 am

OK...OK...OK...

Points well taken...question authority...Don't trust Mom

(See, there are lots of reasons to be a member of this site...somebody else will give you some great answers that you never woulda thunk of yerself!)

I'm going to give it a try...THANKS ALL!!
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Re: Who do you trust?

Postby dingdong » Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:42 am

f1xrupr wrote:Hey Tom, were you able to fix it, or was it trashed?



Fixed. I had to replace 2 bent exhaust valves. That is usually what happens when a belt breaks.

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Re: Who do you trust?

Postby urbanmadness » Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:25 am

Oh yeah. I'm not embarrassed, Mine broke the timing belt on the right bank the night we drove it home.... well tried to drive it home. It made it about 20 miles when the belt snaped. We had to trailer it the rest of the way. I got lucky and it only took out the valves. In a worse case, it could of trashed the pistons, cam, and rockers and rocker shafts. Oh yeah, the bike only had 54k on the clock.

Never inspect the belts, just change them. Theses belts can look fine with no cracks or ribs missing and will still snap from age or milage. don't let a shop tell you anything different (or a previous owner, either)

Moral of the story? If I ever buy another wing (and i'd love a 1500), it will be trailered home and the belts changed before it sees the road.

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Re: Who do you trust?

Postby bobbybiscuit » Tue Mar 24, 2015 5:30 pm

When I bought my Aspencade back in Aug 2013 I know that mine had been replaced by the previous owner but he paid very little for them that i decided to buy decent ones. I know they have been replaced now with good quaility.




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