netrual light staying on with clutch lever pulled in


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netrual light staying on with clutch lever pulled in

Postby roadwanderer2 » Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:05 am



ok, thanks to wilcoy and the link he gave me i found the neutral diode. THANK YOU WILCOY.

ok, after taking the entire air box off and digging thru the wires, i finally found the clutch diode. i removed it from its connector and with the bike on the center stand,( now here's the weird part), i turned the key to on and the neutral light came on, i started the bike up and as soon as i put into gear the neutral light went off. i ran it up and down thru the gears and it did like it was supposed to do. the light stayed off until i put the bike back into neutral. now my question is, do i leave this diode off and run it "as is" or replace the diode with a new one. any thoughts?

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Re: netrual light staying on with clutch lever pulled in

Postby virgilmobile » Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:09 am

The diode is there so you can crank the engine in gear if you pull in the clutch lever.If you don't want this feature leave it out.

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Re: netrual light staying on with clutch lever pulled in

Postby WingAdmin » Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:15 am

virgilmobile wrote:The diode is there so you can crank the engine in gear if you pull in the clutch lever.If you don't want this feature leave it out.


Right - and that's really a safety issue. Think about it: you pull into an intersection, and accidentally stall the bike. There is a tractor trailer bearing down on you. Do you want to pull the clutch in, hit the starter and get out of the way, or do you want to be fumbling around trying to find neutral so that you can start the bike?

You don't have to find the actual diode to replace it - any decent diode with the appropriate ratings will work, and you can buy them for under a dollar - even Radio Shack will have them. I would look for a diode rated for at least 30 volts and 3-4 amps. If you can't find one at that amp rating, you could get a couple 2 amp diodes and connect them in parallel.

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Re: netrual light staying on with clutch lever pulled in

Postby Wilcoy02 » Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:38 am

I would clean the connection good and then put some electric grease in and leave it.
If it goes out again you know where it is at, and not that hard to get to, and then replace it.

If the clutch is pulled in the bike should start regardless of what gear it is in. You put the clutch in on a car or truck and it will start in any gear.

For the future -- people who are looking for this -- here is the link that started this thread.

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Re: netrual light staying on with clutch lever pulled in

Postby roadwanderer2 » Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:39 am

hey wingadmin and Virgil, after reading what the both of you posted, i went into my garage, put the bike in gear, pulled in the clutch lever and it started up in gear, so for now, i think im going to run the bike without it for a while to see how it acts. if nothing else, now that i know where it is and what it looks like, i can always replace it in the future....wingadmin, im very surprised that the bike started up in gear, but your right, i definitely don't want to be messing around trying to find neutral if the bike stalls and a vehicle is bearing down on me from behind.

i found a replacement diode on eBay.....http://www.ebay.com/itm/221790198237?_t ... EBIDX%3AIT i think i'll purchase it and put it on the bike just incase i run into any "problems" because of it not being there.

thanks guys for your help and opinions about this. couldn't have done it without ya's. now i have to go help my elderly next door neighbor burry her 22 year old dog that just died about a half hour ago in her back yard.

stuart.

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Re: netrual light staying on with clutch lever pulled in

Postby Wilcoy02 » Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:44 am

I know nothing about electric so do not quote me.

The diode may be in place to prevent back feed through the wires. Honda put it there for a reason.

I read your post wrong. I thought you put the diode back in.

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Re: netrual light staying on with clutch lever pulled in

Postby roadwanderer2 » Tue Jun 02, 2015 12:29 pm

hey wilcoy, no, i didn't put the diode back in. im going to run the bike without it for a while to see how it goes to see if it makes any difference in how the bike operates. as stated, i found an OEM diode on eBay for under 10 bucks, so im thinking about getting it and putting it on, but for now, im running the bike without it.

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Re: netrual light staying on with clutch lever pulled in

Postby virgilmobile » Tue Jun 02, 2015 2:09 pm

Clarity...OEM wiring.
If the diode is removed from the circuit and the 2 wires do not touch,the bike should be able to crank ONLY with the clutch lever pulled in.It should no longer be able to crank with just the neutral lamp on.The diode couples the neutral lamp switch to the start solenoid.The clutch safety switch is directly connected to the solenoid.The purpose of the diode is two fold.Wih it in place,the bike can be cranked while in neutral and blocks the voltage from feeding back to the lamp from the clutch switch.
So.If it's shorted,your neutral lamp will light every time you pull in the clutch lever,but still crank both ways.
If its "open" or disconnected,you should only be able to crank it with the clutch lever even tho the neutral lamp is working.

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Re: netrual light staying on with clutch lever pulled in

Postby roadwanderer2 » Tue Jun 02, 2015 4:34 pm

hey Virgil, yes, the only way this bike starts up is with the clutch lever pulled in. its been like that ever since I've owned it. personally i feel like its a safety factor, only being able to start with the clutch lever pulled in no matter if its in gear or not, this way it doesn't "lurch" forward and fall over, plus it cant be stolen if anyone doesn't know about that, but the neutral light just started acting up about a month ago.

i just got back from my local auto salvage yard where i remembered they had a torn apart g/w mixed in with all their other bikes, and i got lucky and found the diode still on it and the owner of the yard gave it to me. whether it works or not remains to be seen.

im going to make a new posting on another subject about this wrecked g/w i found in the salvage yard.

stuart.




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