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Tire rub

Postby barrettmusicman1 » Wed Sep 09, 2015 7:25 pm



Hello, I pulled the rear wheel off my '83 GL1100I and noticed the there was a rub line all the way around the right side of the tire. I looked at the swingarm and it looks like there is a spot on the right, forward of the rear axle where the tire has been rubbing. How do you straighten that? You can see if you zoom in on photo. Thank you!
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Re: Tire rub

Postby mrtwowheel » Thu Sep 10, 2015 7:41 am

What brand, model, size tire do you have there?

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Re: Tire rub

Postby barrettmusicman1 » Thu Sep 10, 2015 7:54 am

Dunlop D404, 140/90-16

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Re: Tire rub

Postby WingAdmin » Thu Sep 10, 2015 8:06 am

Is this a new tire you have just installed?

If not, and it just started out of nowhere, check the swingarm for corrosion. There have been some instances where the swingarm starts to corrode (usually from the inside out), and when the corrosion starts to work its way through and swell the exterior, it can cause clearance issues with the tire.

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Re: Tire rub

Postby barrettmusicman1 » Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:14 pm

Age unknown, just got this bike from a guy so I could restore it...and it came with a sidecar! I will inspect what you noted. Thank you!

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Re: Tire rub

Postby 702scottc » Thu Sep 10, 2015 10:16 pm

Looks like the tire is just a bit too wide. Should have a 130 rather than a 140. Try the Dunlop D402 130/90/16 Harley Davidson rear touring tire. I ran that tire for many years on my 1980. I upgraded the wheel sizes to a 1983 wheel size, 16inch rear 18 inch front. Same size wheels on your bike. The 140 Tire will barely fit inside swing arm, I tried one once and it rubbed just like yours is.

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Re: Tire rub

Postby littlebeaver » Fri Sep 11, 2015 12:05 am

Wow let us know what happens...140/90/16 sounds correct for the 83....I'm pretty sure... :shock:

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Re: Tire rub

Postby WingAdmin » Fri Sep 11, 2015 3:24 pm

littlebeaver wrote:Wow let us know what happens...140/90/16 sounds correct for the 83....I'm pretty sure... :shock:


Yes, it is. 140/90-16 71H.

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Re: Tire rub

Postby minimac » Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:43 am

From what I could see, the rub line on the tire didn't look too deep. If you can see where it's rubbing the swingarm, feel and then CAREFULLY hit the spot with a grinder. You just want to barely touch it. It is safe-if it's not rusted- to remove a few thousandths of material. Are you sure there isn't a washer (shim)or spacer missing from the axle or mispositioned?

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Re: Tire rub

Postby WingAdmin » Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:45 am

minimac wrote:From what I could see, the rub line on the tire didn't look too deep. If you can see where it's rubbing the swingarm, feel and then CAREFULLY hit the spot with a grinder. You just want to barely touch it. It is safe-if it's not rusted- to remove a few thousandths of material. Are you sure there isn't a washer (shim)or spacer missing from the axle or mispositioned?


If the swingarm itself is swollen, grinding it down is going to fix the symptom, but not the cause. Swelling of the swingarm indicates corrosion, and that's a serious safety issue.

If the tire is not installed correctly, that's definitely a potential cause, and relatively easy to fix.

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Re: Tire rub

Postby littlebeaver » Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:47 am

Did you take a measurement of the gap to the frame on both sides to the tire or rim? I'm pretty certain the measurement would be equal but if one side is greater then you have a issue with the swingarm I bet... :shock: I would tap tap tap on the steel area in question to see if the steel is solid or it sounds soft..

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Re: Tire rub

Postby barrettmusicman1 » Mon Sep 14, 2015 11:51 pm

Looks like whomever put this tire on did so backwards, directional arrow going wrong way. There's also a plug in it which would indicate someone messing with it who maybe shouldn't have, so, I bet if I get a new tire and put it on correctly things should line up. The metal seems good on the swingarm. Anything I need to really look out for that's not in the service manual when reassembling rear wheel?

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Re: Tire rub

Postby chrisz » Tue Sep 15, 2015 2:30 pm

There are instructions on this site which I've used and find them to be quite good. Look in the How-To Articles.

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Re: Tire rub

Postby T-Rat » Sat Oct 17, 2015 6:28 pm

It might also be rubbing the gas tank.....it is very close right there.

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Re: Tire rub

Postby f1xrupr » Sun Oct 18, 2015 6:32 am

I wonder if someone changed out the final drive from a different year, and the spacing is a little different-how could you tell???....aftermarket bearing in hub with different spacing???....something missing???
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Re: Tire rub

Postby roadwanderer2 » Sun Oct 18, 2015 8:46 am

i had the same problem with my 140/90-16 rear tire, but it was rubbing on the left side up against the caliper bracket. everything was properly aligned but it still rubbed. my solution was stepping down in tire size to a 130/90-16 tire and it stopped the rubbing problem.

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Re: Tire rub

Postby redbug » Sun Oct 18, 2015 9:32 am

According to the Dunlop tire guide for motorcycles,MU90B16 is the correct tire size. Made for a 3" width rim. 5.57 wide 11/32 tread and 930lbs @40 psi,78H. The 404 is a 3.50 rim 5.89 width 71H 9/32 761lbs@41 psi. So looks like the width to me is the problem as well as the narrow rim for the 404. I use the MU90B16 and it is stuffed in there with just enough clearance.
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Re: Tire rub

Postby barrettmusicman1 » Sun Oct 18, 2015 6:55 pm

Thanks guys! I think I'm going to step down and tire size slightly as well as touch the problem area with the grinder. Will see what happens

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Re: Tire rub

Postby roadwanderer2 » Sun Oct 18, 2015 8:04 pm

your next smaller tire should be the 135/90-16. its the same height but just a tad narrower in width. you shouldn't have any rubbing problems with it unless there's something else wrong. make sure you have the spacers in their correct order when you put the wheel back on, check your swing arm and the rear caliper bracket arm.

there is a "how-to" article on r&r your rear wheel in here....How to remove and reinstall your rear wheel

Read more: viewtopic.php?t=73#ixzz3oyITbjjb look closely at photo 22, it shows the right size spacer that goes into the wheel hub on the left side of the wheel.

hope this helps ya.

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Re: Tire rub

Postby barrettmusicman1 » Sun Oct 18, 2015 9:47 pm

Awesome, thanks for the help!

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Re: Tire rub

Postby roadwanderer2 » Mon Oct 19, 2015 7:16 am

your welcome.

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