electrical "uh oh"


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electrical "uh oh"

Postby roadwanderer2 » Sat Nov 21, 2015 10:49 am



OK, here's something weird..........on my 1100 aspy, i put in a new battery, new solenoid with a 40a fuse, when i turn the ignition switch on, nothing happens, no lights, no power, nothing. but, when i press the starter all the lights light up and i can hear a "click" coming from one of the 2 small round relays that are mounted under the tank shelter on the left side just forward of the rec/reg. even if i try to short the solenoid, i get nothing unless i hold the starter button, but if i do that, the stater keeps running on, and as soon as i let go of the starter button, the bike shuts off. even with the key switch on the off position, i can still press the starter button and all the lights will come on, that relay clicks but nothing happens. no matter what position i have the key in, i get nothing unless i press the starter button.

W.T.H. is going on with this. do i have a short in the ignition switch or is it something more in depth in the electrical system. any kind of thoughts or help will be greatly appreciated.

stuart.



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Re: electrical "uh oh"

Postby virgilmobile » Sat Nov 21, 2015 12:11 pm

The power to operate the bike comes from the starter solenoid.The 2 big posts should be labeled B for battery connection and S for starter. I'll bet 3 cents there backwards. You should have continuous volts on the big red wires.It connects through the fuse back to the battery post connector.

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Postby roadwanderer2 » Sat Nov 21, 2015 1:28 pm

one of the solenoid posts are marked "B" and the other one is marked "M". the positive cable from the battery is connected to the "B" post and the starter cable is connected to the "M" post...........NEXT! ! !

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Re: electrical "uh oh"

Postby roadwanderer2 » Sat Nov 21, 2015 2:13 pm

OK, here is what i found out.......this is a mirror solenoid, in other words, its powered backwards except for the battery and starter cables, so here's what i did.......i reversed the 4 wire plug that connects to the solenoid, turned the key on, and all my lights lit up like they're suppose to, but i still didn't hear any "clicking" from the "new" solenoid, so i did the "screwdriver" trick to fire the bike up, and it did start right up, but only if i used a screwdriver on the solenoid. oh, btw, i have to hold in the clutch handle for this bike to start even though it shouldn't need to, but i like it this way. it acts as a "anti-theft" and a "safety" feature so nobody else can start it and take off with it and also so i don't start up if i accidentally leave it in gear. i have a message to the seller that i bought this one from telling him that this solenoid is no good and i want another one.

i also had to take a piece of heavy duty gauge wire, put 2 male blade ends on one end of it and 2 female blade ends on the other end of it and put the solenoid fuse into the blade connectors because with the 4 wire plug being reversed, the fuse wouldn't fit into the solenoid slot.

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Re: electrical "uh oh"

Postby indianakid » Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:44 am

hi Stuart,

where did you source the solenoid and how much did it cost? the reason im asking is i am planing on replacing the dog bone fuse with a blade type on my 83. i have looked at a new solenoid on ebay that has a blade fuse and it is very inexpensive (less than a fuse holder from autozone). also its location is not in this country so i am hesitant to pull the trigger on this item. could you post some pictures of your installation? also would it be possible to to "re-pin" the connector so the blade fuse can be installed directly into the solenoid? if it works and the fuse can be properly installed this is the mod i would like to do.

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Re: electrical "uh oh"

Postby roadwanderer2 » Mon Nov 23, 2015 11:02 am

here is the original one i purchased for my 1100..........http://www.ebay.com/itm/Starter-Solenoi ... 416443c65b and the one i have in it now............http://www.ebay.com/itm/331327365304?_t ... EBIDX%3AIT

i'll take a few pics of the one that's currently on my bike showing the 4 pin connector reversed and how i put the blade fuse into it.

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Re: electrical "uh oh"

Postby roadwanderer2 » Mon Nov 23, 2015 11:27 am

OK, here's a pic of how i have the blade fuse installed into my solenoid and the 4 wire plug reversed...........once i figured out that the relay is a "mirror" of the correct one, i.e. the internal wires that lead to the 4 wire connector are installed backwards, but the battery,"B" post and starter, ("S" or "M") post are are correct, (thanks to the help of others), i made the simple fix. to reverse the 4 wire connector, you have to cut off holding tab to make is smooth so it will fit into the male prongs that are in the solenoid which i did not do because im going to get another solenoid and i wanted to make sure when i plug the connector into the new one with it being in the correct position and it will fit better, but for now being as i had to reverse the plug, this is the reason for the blade wires on the blade fuse. in any event, make sure you connect the battery cable to the "B" post on the solenoid and the neg or starter cable to the "M"or the "S" post on the solenoid.

stuart.
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Re: electrical "uh oh"

Postby f1xrupr » Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:35 pm

Sounds like it's the wrong soldinoid switch....wrong part number
My exercise bike is a goldwing.

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Re: electrical "uh oh"

Postby roadwanderer2 » Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:41 am

got the wrong one from the seller. they are sending me another one that's "bike specific.

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